New Agco Balers vs Old Model

DrDunc

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Dunsyre
Old fixed chamber were 14 rollers, new 3130/3135 are completely redesigned 18. Feed rotor is patented one piece construction that combines the side augurs upon one shaft.

It's a totally different animal
 

KB6930

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The new model that was launched in 2019, what's the improvements, if any on the new model?
2019?

They were around as a lely/welter since 2016.

To me no improvements from what I can see . My previous one was a 2013 445 and it definitely put more in due to the density rams being at a different angle they only made them like that on that model and changed them back on the newer/latest version and the density system takes longer to get up to full pressure.

It still makes a decent bale but not as good as the older 445 could

Other than that the biggest improvement is adding the swinging roller into the net system to let short straw back down into the rotor so it doesn't block the net feed like it could on the older models
 

KB6930

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Location
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Old fixed chamber were 14 rollers, new 3130/3135 are completely redesigned 18. Feed rotor is patented one piece construction that combines the side augurs upon one shaft.

It's a totally different animal
Think either you or me are getting confused which make he's asking about?

Agco is Fendt or Massey?
 

DrDunc

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Location
Dunsyre
Think either you or me are getting confused which make he's asking about?

Agco is Fendt or Massey?
Aye, I'm getting confused. I've just finished looking at every baler out there, and had a demo of most of them. Head too full of specifications and which ones have plenty of traps for oily filth to accumulate.

I'm on about Kuhn balers, some of which are actually kverneland designs, some of which are the totally new Kuhn design.

Agco from what I see are are just renamed welgars in Fender or Fergie colours. No difference from the "old" designs apart from the plastic side panels. Apologies 😳

Kverneland balers are now Galliani designed, but also available in the Kubota brand.

McHale are still McHale, but they copied all the best bits 20 years ago and haven't needed to change design..... Maybe we'll see a one piece rotor/side auger intake and a better netwrap pre-stretch system on them soon? I'm sure the Irish manufacturer will be able to "improve" the new Kuhn ideas for their now old design green balers 😉 🤣

I'll shut up and get my coat
 
Location
Morayshire
We have a 2019 mf baler which replaced a 2014 welger 445. Not much difference apart from mf control box is easier to use. Welger was better to look at though. All in all a good baler and hasn’t caused us any problems.
 

Fragonard

Member
In 2019, they put different panels on them,
They put an extra roller on door, and took one from the front lower part of baler.
I think they left net system unchanged.
I'm wondering does anyone know if the changes are an improvement from the 2018 model.
 

KB6930

Member
Location
Borders
Aye, I'm getting confused. I've just finished looking at every baler out there, and had a demo of most of them. Head too full of specifications and which ones have plenty of traps for oily filth to accumulate.

I'm on about Kuhn balers, some of which are actually kverneland designs, some of which are the totally new Kuhn design.

Agco from what I see are are just renamed welgars in Fender or Fergie colours. No difference from the "old" designs apart from the plastic side panels. Apologies 😳

Kverneland balers are now Galliani designed, but also available in the Kubota brand.

McHale are still McHale, but they copied all the best bits 20 years ago and haven't needed to change design..... Maybe we'll see a one piece rotor/side auger intake and a better netwrap pre-stretch system on them soon? I'm sure the Irish manufacturer will be able to "improve" the new Kuhn ideas for their now old design green balers 😉 🤣

I'll shut up and get my coat
What benefit is the one piece auger rotor?

Anything I'm balein that's wide enough to get really involved with the augers I always thought they brought it in then the rotor kinda flatten it out a bit so you don't get as much of a bump either side of the bale
 

KB6930

Member
Location
Borders
In 2019, they put different panels on them,
They put an extra roller on door, and took one from the front lower part of baler.
I think they left net system unchanged.
I'm wondering does anyone know if the changes are an improvement from the 2018 model.
On a belt baler?

I'd not noticed any change in roller configuration
 

KB6930

Member
Location
Borders
We have a 2019 mf baler which replaced a 2014 welger 445. Not much difference apart from mf control box is easier to use. Welger was better to look at though. All in all a good baler and hasn’t caused us any problems.
Was your 445 a master ?

Mine was and you could get full pressure on from as soon as the belts moved after filling the wee gap behind the rotor by changing an operator setting in the elink and and because the density rams were attached at a steeper angle it got the pressure system working quicker the pressure never crept off once the bale was made either but dies with current ones
 

DrDunc

Member
Location
Dunsyre
What benefit is the one piece auger rotor?

Anything I'm balein that's wide enough to get really involved with the augers I always thought they brought it in then the rotor kinda flatten it out a bit so you don't get as much of a bump either side of the bale
The augurs and rotor on the same shaft is a real improvement over "conventional" separate sides augurs.

Forage has far less distance to travel before the feed rotor takes it in, and coupled with her "elliptical" design shape of the rotor teeth, it can swallow much faster than anything else that I had demonstrated.

An even more impressive difference is how well it swallows lumps from the side. Where a lump of long damp grass on an end rig corner (for example) could cause a frustrating half hour cutting the blockage from under the augur, the Kuhn design just gulps it in.

The improvement is like going from clearing blockages using a big handle to manually crank the rotor backwards, missing out the hydraulic gearbox reverse idea, and going straight to a hydraulic drop floor design. Except it doesn't block very easily! Even if you do manage to totally choke, the rotor can be hydraulically disengaged from the cab, letting you net and get rid of the bale. It then has an empty chamber to spit the blockage into.

The one piece side augur/rotor design probably also improves the solidity and shape of the bale shoulders. I don't know this for certain, but the bales are definitely well shaped and very dense out the baler.....

..... But I'm still taking about Kuhn not agco/welgar balers 😳
 

KB6930

Member
Location
Borders
The augurs and rotor on the same shaft is a real improvement over "conventional" separate sides augurs.

Forage has far less distance to travel before the feed rotor takes it in, and coupled with her "elliptical" design shape of the rotor teeth, it can swallow much faster than anything else that I had demonstrated.

An even more impressive difference is how well it swallows lumps from the side. Where a lump of long damp grass on an end rig corner (for example) could cause a frustrating half hour cutting the blockage from under the augur, the Kuhn design just gulps it in.

The improvement is like going from clearing blockages using a big handle to manually crank the rotor backwards, missing out the hydraulic gearbox reverse idea, and going straight to a hydraulic drop floor design. Except it doesn't block very easily! Even if you do manage to totally choke, the rotor can be hydraulically disengaged from the cab, letting you net and get rid of the bale. It then has an empty chamber to spit the blockage into.

The one piece side augur/rotor design probably also improves the solidity and shape of the bale shoulders. I don't know this for certain, but the bales are definitely well shaped and very dense out the baler.....

..... But I'm still taking about Kuhn not agco/welgar balers 😳
None of the above problems I've ever had or noticed with conventional design but could be possible with some other makes I suppose.

I'll leave it at that then and let it get back on topic
 

Welgerbaler

Member
Mixed Farmer
2019?

They were around as a lely/welter since 2016.

To me no improvements from what I can see . My previous one was a 2013 445 and it definitely put more in due to the density rams being at a different angle they only made them like that on that model and changed them back on the newer/latest version and the density system takes longer to get up to full pressure.

It still makes a decent bale but not as good as the older 445 could

Other than that the biggest improvement is adding the swinging roller into the net system to let short straw back down into the rotor so it doesn't block the net feed like it could on the older models
How’s that work? The swinging roller, got a Massey 4160v and haven’t worked that out
 

KB6930

Member
Location
Borders
How’s that work? The swinging roller, got a Massey 4160v and haven’t worked that out
Under the netter there's a roller that kicks the net into the chamber that moves in and out when needed .

There's a tap on the right of the baler by the oil bottle that it can be shut off with to stop it moving back to leave a gap but why you would want to I've no idea
 

Fragonard

Member
Aye, I'm getting confused. I've just finished looking at every baler out there, and had a demo of most of them. Head too full of specifications and which ones have plenty of traps for oily filth to accumulate.

I'm on about Kuhn balers, some of which are actually kverneland designs, some of which are the totally new Kuhn design.

Agco from what I see are are just renamed welgars in Fender or Fergie colours. No difference from the "old" designs apart from the plastic side panels. Apologies 😳

Kverneland balers are now Galliani designed, but also available in the Kubota brand.

McHale are still McHale, but they copied all the best bits 20 years ago and haven't needed to change design..... Maybe we'll see a one piece rotor/side auger intake and a better netwrap pre-stretch system on them soon? I'm sure the Irish manufacturer will be able to "improve" the new Kuhn ideas for their now old design green balers 😉 🤣

I'll shut up and get my coat
Is there hooks on the door of the Kuhn?
 

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