Over in the US there is also the option of the 6E series with a basic 12/12 manual box. If that's too advanced take a look at the African website and view the lower spec 6D and EVEN lower spec 6B. Not forgetting the 6J option in South America. I'd guess that most aren't up to our environmental rules but the 6E must be. If there was really a market I'm sure it would be offered here.
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Over in the US there is also the option of the 6E series with a basic 12/12 manual box. If that's too advanced take a look at the African website and view the lower spec 6D and EVEN lower spec 6B. Not forgetting the 6J option in South America. I'd guess that most aren't up to our environmental rules but the 6E must be. If there was really a market I'm sure it would be offered here.
Not at the moment, no. But if there's a market for them in the US, that must tell us something......
Cowabunga
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There's a lot of people with big gardens over there that can afford basic tractors to haul a small trailer around to do whatever needs doing, like gathering leaves.
I predict a lot of folks with big gardens here too, within the next 20 years. A 2 tier market with 10,000 acre farmers buying premium spec, and small family farms buying poverty spec.....
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Welcome to Lincolnshire.
mikep
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In five years time the market will be moving with good Chinese machines coming in. If you are sceptical look at the plant market and see the inroads there. LuiGong are taking big sales from the established makers and XCMG are making waves.
The current mainstream makers can do nothing as they cannot buy the the Chinese competition as is usual practice so look on as their market is starting to be eroded. The Chinese put Cummings engines and Japanese hydraulics in with their own design and software and lots of user tests put them on par with or better than CAT but at a discount enough to negate residuals.
The current mainstream makers can do nothing as they cannot buy the the Chinese competition as is usual practice so look on as their market is starting to be eroded. The Chinese put Cummings engines and Japanese hydraulics in with their own design and software and lots of user tests put them on par with or better than CAT but at a discount enough to negate residuals.
celtis man
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My dear old dad used to say of tractor's .......while she rattles she's going
Some how I think he might still be right !
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How are you getting on with it a few weeks on now?
mikep
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As a follow up to my post we had a little Siromer tractor in for a service and look over just before Christmas.
It was 15 yrs old and built by the owners father from a flat pack kit.
This was it's FIRST service FFS.
Anyway the basic unit was fine and the design and construction of reasonable quality. The electrics were ok except for the dials which were all rotted.
After servicing and sorting out numerous assembly faults it was right as rain.
The criticisms would be poor specification of fasteners and dashboard electrical components the worst problem was a failed roll pin on the clutch shaft which was a bitch to sort as the castings were in the way a sharpened 12.9 bolt sorted that.
As this beast was a real budget and not looked after i was impressed Fendt beater hardly but given the Chinese ability to make progress I would like to see a modern version. If they made a basic 100hp tractor I think that they could wipe out the present makers
It was 15 yrs old and built by the owners father from a flat pack kit.
This was it's FIRST service FFS.
Anyway the basic unit was fine and the design and construction of reasonable quality. The electrics were ok except for the dials which were all rotted.
After servicing and sorting out numerous assembly faults it was right as rain.
The criticisms would be poor specification of fasteners and dashboard electrical components the worst problem was a failed roll pin on the clutch shaft which was a bitch to sort as the castings were in the way a sharpened 12.9 bolt sorted that.
As this beast was a real budget and not looked after i was impressed Fendt beater hardly but given the Chinese ability to make progress I would like to see a modern version. If they made a basic 100hp tractor I think that they could wipe out the present makers
Hi - I like it a lot. Mainly loader work so far, which is really why we went for it. Very nimble with a good tight turning circle. My only niggle so far is the range lever - I find it difficult to get into low and end up in neutral or grinding the gear. May be there is a knack to finding the exact spot which I haven't acquired yet.
The DPF, which was my main concern before purchase, needed one cleaning cycle after 25 hours it remains to be seen if this is going to be annoying.
Cowabunga
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A number of Chinese built tractors with several brands, in the 70 to 100hp class, were imported a few years ago. Here today, gone tomorrow. They hardly wiped out or even made a scratch on the surface of mainstream established tractor brand sales.
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celtis man
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Funny how quite a few Chinese components find their way onto mainstream brands these days
mikep
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A week is a long time in politics and a few years is a hell of a long time to the Chinese.
As I said ask CAT or Komatsu if LuiGong are a threat? Are they taking good sales from the establishment? How were Japanese cars viewed in the seventies?
The Chinese have learnt and use name parts as well as their own.
I was amazed at how far they have come in plant in a short time and it's no doubt that once they focus on agriculture then they will make big inroads quickly. Don't forget most of their agriculture is peasant small scale type so small basic machines are their forté.
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I was looking at them yesterday
https://silonmachinery.en.made-in-c...-with-EPA4-Certifiction-and-Front-Loader.html
https://silonmachinery.en.made-in-c...-with-EPA4-Certifiction-and-Front-Loader.html
The Chinese will take over agri machine manufacture simply because they will copy existing designs but do it way cheaper. It will take a while to gain strength but it will happen. Our local heavy plant hire company is using Chinese excavators and they seemed happy when I last spoke to them. Can somebody explain to me where all this supposed extra r&d cost is when a new tractor comes out? As far as I can see the designs for the current machines have barely changed in 15 years. varios and cabs are very similar and as for the engine emission extras, that hassle is passed onto the engine supplier at only a small extra cost relative to the massive hikes in the finished machines. The only tractor that is completely new from the ground up is the fastrac, it does seem to justify it's price tag more.. As for forklifts, they barely change but have gone through the roof! modern cnc machine tools can make parts cheaper and easier than ever before, the prices should come down!
Presumably Caterpillar would not have thought Komatsu a rival way back in history.
Wellytrack
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Interesting.
Engine code matches a Chinese made Deutz motor making engines in the old MWM architecture.
WP6T130E22
https://www.abato.nl/en/agricultural-engines
https://en.weichai.com/wmdgs/wmdls/2000_2010/201401/t20140109_1785.htm
https://en.weichai.com/cpyfw/wmdyw/dlzc/gcjxyfdj/tjcp/201401/t20140103_1896.htm
Cowabunga
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Cowabunga
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If they get their act together in international tractor sales. You can get Chinese big brand tractors tomorrow of course. The platform versions of the MF Global series are entirely made in a new state of the art Chinese factory where they make the Sisu three cylinder engines as well as the transaxles for platform and cab versions. The cab versions are, I believe, CKD and the cab is French made and final assembly takes place in France. The front axle comes from a new Carraro Chinese factory.
It is easy to tell the quality stuff from the dross of course, and everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they choose, whether that be Chinese in whatever form, or not.
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The Terracotta terror returns..