Cowabunga
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Have you ever considered that he or she was having a laugh at your expense?
New Defender spec
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ollie989898
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A new JLR engine... Can't wait to see how that goes out of warranty....
Cowabunga
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The four cylinder engines have been in use for at least four years. So not so new. Some will be at least a year out of warranty already. The six cylinder version is basically just two more cylinders added to the four, using a lot of common parts apart from castings and shafts etc. Same basic designs. Half way through 2020 they announced that they had built more than 1.5 million Ingenium engines to that point.
A recent trend in Diesel engines, not new but an accelerating trend, is the all-alloy block and head. When most others were using vermicular [CGI] thin-wall cast blocks with alloy heads, I think it was Mercedes that started using alloy blocks. Then Honda did it with their 2.2 and later 1.6 litre engines, the latter with twin turbo. Now my new car has a brand new engine which is broadly similar to the old version apart from the major change from CGI/vermicular to even lighter all alloy block. This saves weight of course but I'm not sure how they get the strength and durability from to accommodate today's exceptionally high power and torque to weight ratios. The crank takes some anchoring down. Hopefully they have some really clever engineering going on that ensures more than adequate longevity.
Another modern technique is to not use individual bearing caps but to incorporate them into a bolt-on lower section of block with internal webbing. Also to not use any renewable bearings for camshafts, instead running them directly in precision machined orifices in the head, or webbing frame that incorporates non-removable camshafts with lobes only held in place by friction. Not sure how much of these design ideas are used in the Ingenium but since it is one of the newest designs available, I suspect quite a lot. More than ever, today's engines are designed for a long reliable life, then to be thrown away, not overhauled.
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Saw a friend,a couple of weeks ago, who showed me his new defender.I can't make my mind up if I like or hate it.Very box like.Didnt go for a ride due to covid and social distancing.
Defies logic for the hp increase, maybe brakes/suspension are upgraded on the higher hp model?
Cowabunga
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Just noticed that the fuel pressure in these engines, and no doubt other current engines, is an amazing 36,500 lbs per square inch [2500bar]. Seals have to be 100% do withstand that kind of pressure. The rail would go off like a bomb if it ever fractured. The mind boggles at the quality and precision needed for the fuel system to work, let alone work reliably for hundreds of thousands of miles and many years, possibly decades of service. Then again people probably thought the same about the CAV DPA injector pump in the late 1950's and they still keep chugging along, some of them, sixty years later.
Tubbylew
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V8 Toyota Land Cruiser pickup offers farm truck alternative - Farmers Weekly
You won’t spot many 70-series Toyota Land Cruisers on UK roads, but venture beyond Europe’s borders and this tough-as-old-boots workhorse is the go-to
www.fwi.co.uk
Jus' sayin.
Cowabunga
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This is a pickup. Land Rover don’t do those. However there is plenty of choice availableV8 Toyota Land Cruiser pickup offers farm truck alternative - Farmers Weekly
You won’t spot many 70-series Toyota Land Cruisers on UK roads, but venture beyond Europe’s borders and this tough-as-old-boots workhorse is the go-to
Jus' sayin.
ollandroverman
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£48000 to £58000 for a rhd double cab!!!!V8 Toyota Land Cruiser pickup offers farm truck alternative - Farmers Weekly
You won’t spot many 70-series Toyota Land Cruisers on UK roads, but venture beyond Europe’s borders and this tough-as-old-boots workhorse is the go-to
Jus' sayin.
Heck no
Iron150
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Has anyone got a 110 defender yet? Im thinking of getting the 90 just thinking if anyone has one on farm! Thankyou
Any word on the pick ups? I'm sure LR said they were going to do a Defender pick up but cannot see it being as practical as the competition or priced vary favourably!
ollie989898
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Looks cheap compared to any LR product?
Tubbylew
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There is no getting away from it they are feckin dear, but are they as dear as a second hand landy? I'll be sticking with my 22yr old 90 for the foreseeable so it's all a moot point for me, but i do think you'd be more likely to keep a landcruiser on the road in 22yrs time than anything landrover currently make.
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we have a 2008 model. Paid $40,000 for it with 180k km on it. Currently has 335k km and judging by a friends recent purchase it is still worth what we paid.
I hate the thing, the wife loves it so it will be here a while yet.
ollandroverman
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I would beg to differ.
Rot usually spells the demise of commercial vehicles, and where as the Toyota is made of steel and will rust in our climate, the new defender is an all aluminium monocoque.
BTW. My defenders are 23 and 37 years old.
Tubbylew
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Yeah i think your probably right tbh, but i will say it's more the electronics in 23 yrs that i'd be concerned about.
Cowabunga
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There is very unlikely to be a pickup. I would put it at near 0% chance.
Tubbylew
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A friend was told at a launch event, when he asked about when the equivalent to the 110 utillity was going to be available, "thats what double cab pickups are for". I can't imagine JLR having any interest in making anything other than a luxury car.