New Defender spec

[Cowabunga]

Yeah i think your probably right tbh, but i will say it's more the electronics in 23 yrs that i'd be concerned about.

Why? My 28 year old Same bristles with electronics and is still going strong. So is my 25 year old NH Range Command, although that doesn't have electronic engine memories and governor like the Same. Both have electronically controlled transmission and 4wd and electronic linkage control. Never let me down yet.

 

[Tubbylew]

Why? My 28 year old Same bristles with electronics and is still going strong. So is my 25 year old NH Range Command, although that doesn't have electronic engine memories and governor like the Same. Both have electronically controlled transmission and 4wd and electronic linkage control. Never let me down yet.

I'd hazard a guess that the simple electronic hardware involved in tractors 30 years ago, would be much more simplistic compared to the new defender, will JLR still support the software in 25 yrs time.

 

[hally]

I'd hazard a guess that the simple electronic hardware involved in tractors 30 years ago, would be much more simplistic compared to the new defender, will JLR still support the software in 25 yrs time.

I couldn’t think of anything worse than driving the same vehicle for 25 years

 

[Cowabunga]

I'd hazard a guess that the simple electronic hardware involved in tractors 30 years ago, would be much more simplistic compared to the new defender, will JLR still support the software in 25 yrs time.

In principle electronics and computers is electronic and computers. Today's electronics and computers are much cheaper than they used to be and the connectors and even wiring looms far better and with superior sealing.
There's more sensors and emissions stuff on modern vehicles of course, and it is this stuff that may cause more issues, but not necessarily electronic issues. Just because something throws a fault code, it does not mean that the fault is electronic. The two times my Ranger threw wobblies it was the EGR valve and then the fifth injector/evaporator that developed mechanical issues.

 

[Cowabunga]

I couldn’t think of anything worse than driving the same vehicle for 25 years

I did very nearly 20 years driving the Land Cruiser and never tired of it. Had 22 years service out of a LR110 but the last six or seven we were desperately waiting for a modern comfortable LR replacement, which never did arrive. When that gave up I bought a Ranger pickup and only regret that LR abandoned a sector where they once easily dominated.

 

[B R C]

I’ve decided I like them already and once the L200 lease is up, will look seriously at a 110 to buy and keep for a number of years, it may end up with one of the pop up tents on top, and be a replacement for the VW Campervan as well once the children have grown out of it. Couple of bikes on the back and away you go.

 

[njneer]

Just noticed that the fuel pressure in these engines, and no doubt other current engines, is an amazing 36,500 lbs per square inch [2500bar]. Seals have to be 100% do withstand that kind of pressure. The rail would go off like a bomb if it ever fractured. The mind boggles at the quality and precision needed for the fuel system to work, let alone work reliably for hundreds of thousands of miles and many years, possibly decades of service. Then again people probably thought the same about the CAV DPA injector pump in the late 1950's and they still keep chugging along, some of them, sixty years later.

Yep amazing to think how we sweat when we knock over the gas bottles , we have all seen the H&S Video, and there’s 10 times the pressure in a modern common rail system than your workshop bottles.
Food for thought next time you hear someone “ just cracking” injector pipes open .........

 

[hally]

I’ve decided I like them already and once the L200 lease is up, will look seriously at a 110 to buy and keep for a number of years, it may end up with one of the pop up tents on top, and be a replacement for the VW Campervan as well once the children have grown out of it. Couple of bikes on the back and away you go.
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Looks a death trap when you stumble out in the middle of the night for a p**s, must be my age when that’s the first impression I get of that machine

 

[ollandroverman]

A new JLR engine... Can't wait to see how that goes out of warranty....

The majority of problems thus far encountered with JLR engines are in the ones bought in from other manufacturers ( defender 2.4 & 2.2, Discovery tdv6) , not their own.

 

[Cowabunga]

The majority of problems thus far encountered with JLR engines are in the ones bought in from other manufacturers ( defender 2.4 & 2.2, Discovery tdv6) , not their own.

The Ingenium engines are fine. Some of the installations less so, specifically the pre-facelift transverse installation in LR RR and Jaguar's smaller vehicles in diesel form. Installed north/south they have no issues.
As far as the engine itself is concerned, you are correct. Unfortunately the many owners that have the troublesome vehicles, for which there is no remedy, probably don't make the distinction.

 

[Tubbylew]

I couldn’t think of anything worse than driving the same vehicle for 25 years

If only I had a choice.

 

[Robt]

That v8 Toyota pickup. Buy that and watch it drop very little. V8 diesel, manual. Great off-road. Rare.... what is not to like

 

[hally]

That v8 Toyota pickup. Buy that and watch it drop very little. V8 diesel, manual. Great off-road. Rare.... what is not to like

Manual

 

[milkloss]

That v8 Toyota pickup. Buy that and watch it drop very little. V8 diesel, manual. Great off-road. Rare.... what is not to like

bit of a ‘bogan’ wagon though.

 

[Richard Smyth]

That v8 Toyota pickup. Buy that and watch it drop very little. V8 diesel, manual. Great off-road. Rare.... what is not to like

The chiropractor bills

 

[Daniel]

This may already have been posted, but Harry Metcalfe loves it.

 

[Daniel]

I'm one step closer to my perfect LAND ROVER DEFENDER. See configuration.

LAND ROVER DEFENDER

build.landrover

 

[Kildare]

I think Harry medcalf is a very good and honest person. I believe he would be critical of the defender if it was due but no he likes it well and said he might buy one. They seem to be accepted now as a well made machine. I reckon the old defender diehards will be driving the new version as soon as they can get one.

 

[DHI77]

The four cylinder engines have been in use for at least four years. So not so new. Some will be at least a year out of warranty already. The six cylinder version is basically just two more cylinders added to the four, using a lot of common parts apart from castings and shafts etc. Same basic designs. Half way through 2020 they announced that they had built more than 1.5 million Ingenium engines to that point.

A recent trend in Diesel engines, not new but an accelerating trend, is the all-alloy block and head. When most others were using vermicular [CGI] thin-wall cast blocks with alloy heads, I think it was Mercedes that started using alloy blocks. Then Honda did it with their 2.2 and later 1.6 litre engines, the latter with twin turbo. Now my new car has a brand new engine which is broadly similar to the old version apart from the major change from CGI/vermicular to even lighter all alloy block. This saves weight of course but I'm not sure how they get the strength and durability from to accommodate today's exceptionally high power and torque to weight ratios. The crank takes some anchoring down. Hopefully they have some really clever engineering going on that ensures more than adequate longevity.

Another modern technique is to not use individual bearing caps but to incorporate them into a bolt-on lower section of block with internal webbing. Also to not use any renewable bearings for camshafts, instead running them directly in precision machined orifices in the head, or webbing frame that incorporates non-removable camshafts with lobes only held in place by friction. Not sure how much of these design ideas are used in the Ingenium but since it is one of the newest designs available, I suspect quite a lot. More than ever, today's engines are designed for a long reliable life, then to be thrown away, not overhauled.

Would your engine be a EA 288 evo?

 

[Campbell]

Just looked up CGI/vermicular............a worm like structure? I learn something most days on TFF.