New Defender

[ollie989898]

I don't see the fuss. For the same money buy a used Merc G Wagen and be done with it.

 

[Wilksy]

I saw one last week, heading it the opposite direction I was in my old one, what is the etiquette for waving?

 

[Boydvalley]

There’s quite a few x demo on eBay already. Not a good sign so early. Should be able to sell everything.

 

[bobk]

New Defender, but not the replacement for the old Defender.

Personally I can’t see them having anything like the resale value of the old model, but if you like the vehicle just buy it because of that.

The old defender has a good resale value because 99% have died from rustworm .

 

[Cowabunga]

There’s quite a few x demo on eBay already. Not a good sign so early. Should be able to sell everything.

They are not selling in anything like the volume they expected. My local dealer's depot has four demonstrator's available already, with a demo discount. Just like with the introduction of the Disco5 and Velar they overhyped the vehicles to their dealers in order for the dealers to forward order and dealers are left with surplus stock from the get-go.
They are great SUV's if you prefer that style to that of the Disco5's. They will eat into the already lacklustre D5 sales but will probably increase overall combined sales somewhat.
We now all know that this isn't a substitute for the old commercial Defender and certainly not for the workmanlike one ton pickup truck.
There may be a limited farmer market for the new Defender90 van, but that is dependent on LR not following the ridiculous way it has priced the Discovery commercials where you are paying a premium over the equivalent passenger carrying model before tax and VAT. That just isn't justifiable.

 

[ollie989898]

I'm still waiting for the legions of Defenderoos who were trying to tell me the MOD and utility companies were where the commercial fat was at for the new Defender, given that it costs 40K+......

 

[Hilly]

I'm still waiting for the legions of Defenderoos who were trying to tell me the MOD and utility companies were where the commercial fat was at for the new Defender, given that it costs 40K+......

The hard core defender people have abandoned Landrover pinning hopes on inovis what ever they are , I’m not worried my defender is here to stay with me until the day I die as they are easily re furnished .

 

[Cowabunga]

The hard core defender people have abandoned Landrover pinning hopes on inovis what ever they are , I’m not worried my defender is here to stay with me until the day I die as they are easily re furnished .

Good luck with that. It would help if you died young or soon of course, not that I wish that upon you at all. Just that I've heard that so many times and very few actually do it unless they park the whatever in a shed to gather dust eventually.

 

[JP1]

Good luck with that. It would help if you died young or soon of course, not that I wish that upon you at all. Just that I've heard that so many times and very few actually do it unless they park the whatever in a shed to gather dust eventually.

To be fair to @Hilly there are a number of volume producers and installers of galvanised chassis these days and parts are cheap and readily available

 

[Cowabunga]

To be fair to @Hilly there are a number of volume producers and installers of galvanised chassis these days and parts are cheap and readily available

I know that a small number of people spend an amazing amount of time and money extending the life of Land Rovers. Nevertheless there are now very few working pre-TDi 200 left indeed and only a tiny number of Series3 and earlier models. It's fine as a hobby.

 

[JP1]

I know that a small number of people spend an amazing amount of time and money extending the life of Land Rovers. Nevertheless there are now very few working pre-TDi 200 left indeed and only a tiny number of Series3 and earlier models. It's fine as a hobby.

I bought my 2008 2.4 TD 90 truck cab for £8k six years ago with 69k miles. It now has 87k miles and will be with me for towing and other essential usages for a long time to come. It's lack of comfort probably helps self limit it's annual mileage but it's a cheap to run workhorse when used with my range of trailers. I've had Fourtraks, Terrano's even a Frontier. They all failed in the end

 

[Cowabunga]

I bought my 2008 2.4 TD 90 truck cab for £8k six years ago with 69k miles. It now has 87k miles and will be with me for towing and other essential usages for a long time to come. It's lack of comfort probably helps self limit it's annual mileage but it's a cheap to run workhorse when used with my range of trailers. I've had Fourtraks, Terrano's even a Frontier. They all failed in the end

They all do, unless you cherish them enough to pour time and money into them. One of my old Nissan Terrano's, bought new in 1995, finally reached the end earlier this year. My Land Cruiser would still be on the road today but the cost of a fairly basic part along with other parts mounting up, makes it uneconomic to repair, although I'm sorely tempted even though it is 22 years of age in the next few weeks. It hasn't moved in nearly two years, even though its body, engine, transmission and chassis are as good as nearly new.

 

[JP1]

They all do, unless you cherish them enough to pour time and money into them. One of my old Nissan Terrano's, bought new in 1995, finally reached the end earlier this year. My Land Cruiser would still be on the road today but the cost of a fairly basic part along with other parts mounting up, makes it uneconomic to repair, although I'm sorely tempted even though it is 22 years of age in the next few weeks. It hasn't moved in nearly two years, even though its body, engine, transmission and chassis are as good as nearly new.

The thing is for what I need, a Defender that is cheap to repair and fully functional is all I need for my farm and stock work. I can't justify a pickup let alone a 50k plus new JLR product. It's gone beyond me. I don't mind looking at pretty photos of Series Landrovers but they'd also be no good for proper towing now

 

[Nithsdale]

I bought my 2008 2.4 TD 90 truck cab for £8k six years ago with 69k miles. It now has 87k miles and will be with me for towing and other essential usages for a long time to come. It's lack of comfort probably helps self limit it's annual mileage but it's a cheap to run workhorse when used with my range of trailers. I've had Fourtraks, Terrano's even a Frontier. They all failed in the end

Being a 90 it should be OK (more common on the 110's).. but keep an eye on the engine - you've entered the blown head gasket zone

I speak as an experienced 110 Puma owner...

Beaut of a machine, and I love the 2.4 - but it does have weaknesses

 

[Cowabunga]

The thing is for what I need, a Defender that is cheap to repair and fully functional is all I need for my farm and stock work. I can't justify a pickup let alone a 50k plus new JLR product. It's gone beyond me. I don't mind looking at pretty photos of Series Landrovers but they'd also be no good for proper towing now

They are probably as good for towing as they ever were. Crap! Underpowered with unreliable gearboxes and rear axles [88"].

As it happens my herdsman had bad news yesterday. His beloved VW Caddy pickup has come to the end of its life. It's a W registration and has done fairly well to reach this age. My brother-in-law and nephew have kept doing and fabricating the rear tub and suspension bodywork over the last few years but told him yesterday that the basic structure was past its use-by date and not worth repairing and patching any longer. He is looking as a 65 register L200 with 44,000 miles on the clock for £11k plus VAT. Personally I don't reckon he needs such a vehicle, although it would be handy to carry the grandkids with their bikes in the back very occasionally. It will be hellishly more expensive to run than his Caddy, from road tax to tyres to using double the fuel. I reckon that the best value today, if a four or five seater isn't required, is a small used van from Fiat, Peugeot or Citroen. Possibly even a car based on the same van, so he had seats and could fold them down most of the time. He could also carry bikes in a small trailer. Road tax might even be zero or £25. No VAT either.

 

[JP1]

They are probably as good for towing as they ever were. Crap! Underpowered with unreliable gearboxes and rear axles [88"].

As it happens my herdsman had bad news yesterday. His beloved VW Caddy pickup has come to the end of its life. It's a W registration and has done fairly well to reach this age. My brother-in-law and nephew have kept doing and fabricating the rear tub and suspension bodywork over the last few years but told him yesterday that the basic structure was past its use-by date and not worth repairing and patching any longer. He is looking as a 65 register L200 with 44,000 miles on the clock for £11k plus VAT. Personally I don't reckon he needs such a vehicle, although it would be handy to carry the grandkids with their bikes in the back very occasionally. It will be hellishly more expensive to run than his Caddy, from road tax to tyres to using double the fuel. I reckon that the best value today, if a four or five seater isn't required, is a small used van from Fiat, Peugeot or Citroen. Possibly even a car based on the same van, so he had seats and could fold them down most of the time. He could also carry bikes in a small trailer. Road tax might even be zero or £25. No VAT either.

True but this is a Defender thread and you won't tow much with a Berlingo van or even a Boxer

 

[HAM135]

They are huge ! Bigger than a disco .

Really,don't look it,first one I saw I thought it was a Suzuki jimny.

 

[Hilly]

Really,don't look it,first one I saw I thought it was a Suzuki jimny.

Wait till you see the lwb in a car park they have Americanised them.

 

[Hilly]

Good luck with that. It would help if you died young or soon of course, not that I wish that upon you at all. Just that I've heard that so many times and very few actually do it unless they park the whatever in a shed to gather dust eventually.

If I ain’t got time to do it myself I will pay someone to do it, a distant neighbour did a 200 TDi been his main motor since new that’s cheap motoring as mine has been and for fills all I need happily, allowing me to spend my money more wisely on appreciating proffitable enterprises other than depreciating vehicles .

 

[Fendt516profi]

I saw one last week, heading it the opposite direction I was in my old one, what is the etiquette for waving?