I am going to completely dispute your claim that a ranger tows as well as a 100 series. rubbish. Trailer pushes you all over the road in a ranger and it doesn't have the right gearing. That said, the ranger is a decent pick up and it tows similarly to a Hilux. An immaculate 100 series is 20k now (and increasing all the time). If buying now, they are a much better use of money for a work vehicle than a new defender.
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I am going to completely dispute your claim that a ranger tows as well as a 100 series. rubbish. Trailer pushes you all over the road in a ranger and it doesn't have the right gearing. That said, the ranger is a decent pick up and it tows similarly to a Hilux. An immaculate 100 series is 20k now (and increasing all the time). If buying now, they are a much better use of money for a work vehicle than a new defender.
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I hadn't realised that they are built in Slovakia. Disappointing that they are not using British labour.
Probably be more reliable
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Doesn't look like the list price reflects the potentially cheaper labour costs. ?
Probably be more reliable
.Doesn't look like the list price reflects the potentially cheaper labour costs. ?
If you can find me a 2005 range rover sport making 25k like good lc100s are making, I will put my balls through the bale shredder.
Cowabunga
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No, I absolutely insist that the Ranger T6 tows noticeably better. It is more stable with stiffer springs. It sways far less with 3.5 tons behind it at a fair speed, on the flat, uphill or down. The performance of the 150hp 2.2 is comparable while the 3.2 is superior to the wheezy old 4.2, which is only 200hp and 400Nm torque and has 700kgs more unladen weight to pull than a Ranger.
I tow 3.5 tons+ consisting of IW triple 14ft and cattle regularly with both, or did do until the brake servo broke on the LC and the suspension gas dampers failed needing about £5000 to repair. Given the choice of tug I choose the Ranger every time. Even the ride is better with a trailer behind and a varying but heavy towball vertical load. In fact more often than not with a load of cattle the LC suspension would refuse to rise from its low mode due to the weight being more than the hydraulics could handle, but it usually rose after up to a mile of driving up the road, depending on which way around most of the cattle stand.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Just had a quick look around I can't find a Land Cruiser which will tow 3.5t?
You done yourself a disservice there. An lc100 can be converted from ahc to coils for £700. The ahc is the only downfall of the lc100, and unlike disco3/4 is easy to remove. Yes there is more unladen weight, that's what gives you more control and stability when towing. I guess we will agree to disagree on what is a better tow vehicle.
Clearly not looked very hard. LC 100 will all tow 3.5, as will all lc80 and all lc200. All Hdj70 and vdj70 will also all tow 3.5
Cowabunga
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You and your £25k. Only a mug would pay that much for a fifteen year old one when they could have a much much larger selection of equally pristine good RR Sport that had never been off the main road. The reason that RR Sp is cheaper is that there is a massively larger selection of them looking for a home at that age. Certainly more well used and rough ones available than Land Cruisers, although a good few high milers that have mainly towed examples of them about also and those certainly don't make anything like £25k.
No, the reason is that they are unreliable junk, and cost a fortune to keep on the road. That's why they are cheaper. Money talks, bulls**t takes the bus.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
All I can fine is showing a gap 2002-2008 of no LC towing 3.5t. Most from 2008 onward have the v8?
1998-2007 the lc100 was sold in UK, 3.5t towing
2008-2015 the lc200 was sold in UK, 3.5t towing
Lc200 is still produced but not sold in UK due to emissions so that's why im looking at older vehicles. Each to their own.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
What price 2nd hand?
Cowabunga
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I could convert my suspension for only the labour cost and four shocks. I've got a spare set of OE springs off a hardly used mechanical LC in the shed.
I know which is the best tow vehicle because I have both and absolutely no axe to grind. If you asked me which was the best and most comfortable 'car' it would be a different story, although the back seats of the Ranger are just as spacious as the second row in the LC, which is not particularly space-efficient or well packaged. The comfort in the LC is way ahead though.
Having said that I was very surprised at how good the new 2.0 twin turbo Ranger was when I tried one. Quiet, powerful, very good performance and a suspension that was very comfortable and well controlled indeed. Much better in every way than my 2014 T6. I would say that the new one would highlight just how old a design my LC100 really is. It hasn't got a fully enclosed load area of course and a canopy makes it difficult to reach the bed's contents and isn't secure or particularly waterproof.
Oh, and last time I looked, a few months back, in good working order my LC 100 would be worth £5000 retail at a dealer, about £3000 to the trade maximum, not an unrepresentative £25k.
Immaculate 100 series 20-25k
Immaculate 200 series 40-50k
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It’s a pity they stopped making Daihatsu we had loads of them good motor s
Fair enough, although I won't agree about which is the best tow vehicle, I do like the ranger and think it's a good vehicle. Yes the 25k was for an immaculate 2005 example, and is correct for those examples.
25k is top end admittedly, but you won't find a range rover of the same age and mileage making even close to the same money, despite them costing more new.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Cowabunga
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There are comparatively few LC200 in the UK compared to 100. They were considered ugly compared to 100 from launch and overpriced compared to a full fat Range Rover. However their rarity does give them a premium resale value.
A friend and myself set out to buy one each about a year after the launch of the 200 series but the dealers in S. Wales were only interested in selling Avensis and whatever the Corolla was then called. They were out of their depth so I bought an Audi Q7 and he bought a Mercedes GL or GLS as it is now called.
No, it is neither a 100 series or a 200 series. It is a 120 series which is the mini land cruiser, called the Prado in most of the world.