New defender

[ollie989898]

You can probably up-spec or put aftermarket parts on a Land Cruiser if you want more bling/tat factor that the Defender has.

 

[dave mountain]

Straight of the bat - your LandCruiser can not tow 3.5t

I can confirm that they can very easily tow 3.5t. however, the hilux can do it legally so would be more of a competitor to the defender IMO.

how the old defenders, disco 1, fourtraks etc were rated to 3.5t and the new cruiser is only 3t is a mystery. they were all much lighter, much less effective brakes, and roughly half the power.

 

[JP1]

Please tell me what the Defender does that the new Defender can't? I must be a tad slow on the uptake or brain damaged or something but I don't get sexually aroused by cars these days. What exactly does the Defender have the Land Cruiser does not?

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In that guise a 3500kg legal tow capability for a start

 

[hally]

LC has perfectly adequate power for a work truck, has a ladder chassis (unlike the LR), a much better built and more reliable gearbox, engine, suspension etc, much cheaper to repair/maintain, more reliable and longer lasting, TATA/JLR is no more british than toyota nowadays. They are both foreign owned and both build a similar number of cars in the UK

To be fair I know all that just like holding the cats arse to the fire

 

[hally]

But…..crap cloth seats and a 3t tow capacity is effing useless for a livestock farmer.

 

[Lakesdigger]

I can confirm that they can very easily tow 3.5t. however, the hilux can do it legally so would be more of a competitor to the defender IMO.

how the old defenders, disco 1, fourtraks etc were rated to 3.5t and the new cruiser is only 3t is a mystery. they were all much lighter, much less effective brakes, and roughly half the power.

It's manufacturer set one of the reasons hilux's used to be rated so lowly (in advertising as actual plate used to say more) was that they could sell enough of them without having to worry about warranty claims from towing 3.5 ton about.

 

[Lakesdigger]

I'm intrigued as to how the new defenders fair as a proper farm truck long term. Whilst less mechanical and more electronically and clutch pack controlled 4wd systems look impressive on a controlled off road track, day in day out riving a cattle trailer about in and out of gateways etc is a very different proposition long term.

 

[Cowabunga]

Please tell me what the Defender does that the new Defender can't? I must be a tad slow on the uptake or brain damaged or something but I don't get sexually aroused by cars these days. What exactly does the Defender have the Land Cruiser does not?

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Let’s see now.
Superior refinement
Far lower noise vibration and harshness.
Higher power
Higher torque
Significantly higher tow capacity
Superior mechanical 4wd system
Electronic traction aids that are in a different league
Choice of mechanical or air suspension
Air suspension giving variable ride height
Optional electrically deployable tow bar or removable.
More options and accessories to choose from
Higher payload capacity
Higher roof load capacity
Superior crash test performance
Far more passive and active advanced collision avoidance and crash mitigation devices and software
Proven eight speed heavy duty automatic gearbox rather than the six speed offered by inferior rivals.
Seating options include a third front centre seat facilitated by a walk-through floor.
Adaptive cruise control
Optional rear view roof-mounted camera system
Large number of wheel and tyre options.
Far deeper wading depth.
Better approach and departure angles
More lighting options, mainly LED's
Trailer driving assist option.
Far superior infotainment system, touchscreen and steering wheel controls.
App and connectivity options for all kinds of utility. None available for outdated rival.

Those are the ones just almost without thinking about it. Given and extra ten minutes and I’d probably find more significant advantages. Here’s one basic that I’d forgotten… it has a 300hp Diesel engine option and all engines have mild hybrid electric assistance for greater fuel economy than otherwise.
Mounting options externally.
Optional air compressor and gauge built in.

I could go on, but that’s enough for now.

 

[dave mountain]

But…..crap cloth seats and a 3t tow capacity is effing useless for a livestock farmer.

tbh i couldnt care about the seats, any stock farmer not using seat covers is mad. 3t legal towing is a real shame, as i much prefer the permanent 4wd, better suspension and brakes on the cruiser but i have had to go for a hilux instead

It's manufacturer set one of the reasons hilux's used to be rated so lowly (in advertising as actual plate used to say more) was that they could sell enough of them without having to worry about warranty claims from towing 3.5 ton about.

interesting point, i would doubt that is the case with the new LC as it is more than capable, and what difference would the extra 500kg make for warranty claims?

 

[Cowabunga]

It's manufacturer set one of the reasons hilux's used to be rated so lowly (in advertising as actual plate used to say more) was that they could sell enough of them without having to worry about warranty claims from towing 3.5 ton about.

In other words they were not built to take it.

 

[Vader]

As a working farm truck either of these would be 10 years too new imo. I don’t know how people can wreck such new motors. Obviously some people try keep them straight but things happen

03 plate Nissan pickup here.
Scratches and dents but don't worry where I drive it.
Great for school run as well.
Everyone gives you room as their new and shiny 4x4/suv don't like being close to farm truck!!
Must be oldest vehicle outside school by 10 years minimum

 

[JP1]

Let’s see now.
Superior refinement
Far lower noise vibration and harshness.
Higher power
Higher torque
Significantly higher tow capacity
Superior mechanical 4wd system
Electronic traction aids that are in a different league
Choice of mechanical or air suspension
Air suspension giving variable ride height
Optional electrically deployable tow bar or removable.
More options and accessories to choose from
Higher payload capacity
Higher roof load capacity
Superior crash test performance
Far more passive and active advanced collision avoidance and crash mitigation devices and software
Proven eight speed heavy duty automatic gearbox rather than the six speed offered by inferior rivals.
Seating options include a third front centre seat facilitated by a walk-through floor.
Adaptive cruise control
Optional rear view roof-mounted camera system
Large number of wheel and tyre options.
Far deeper wading depth.
Better approach and departure angles
More lighting options, mainly LED's
Trailer driving assist option.
Far superior infotainment system, touchscreen and steering wheel controls.
App and connectivity options for all kinds of utility. None available for outdated rival.

Those are the ones just almost without thinking about it. Given and extra ten minutes and I’d probably find more significant advantages. Here’s one basic that I’d forgotten… it has a 300hp Diesel engine option and all engines have mild hybrid electric assistance for greater fuel economy than otherwise.
Mounting options externally.
Optional air compressor and gauge built in.

I could go on, but that’s enough for now.

Ok (in a Monty Pythonesque tone) but in what other ways is it superior ?

 

[Lakesdigger]

tbh i couldnt care about the seats, any stock farmer not using seat covers is mad. 3t legal towing is a real shame, as i much prefer the permanent 4wd, better suspension and brakes on the cruiser but i have had to go for a hilux instead

interesting point, i would doubt that is the case with the new LC as it is more than capable, and what difference would the extra 500kg make for warranty claims?

Probably a lot if it's the only thing stopping nearly every farmer in the uk buying one, which at the same time you'd think is a huge sales loss

 

[Cowabunga]

Pretty much sums it up, the defender is much nicer if you just want a posh car. From a business/commercial perspective it's a ridiculous proposition Vs a double cab or a cruiser

For a pure work truck perspective with five seats and all the absolutely necessary kit you cannot beat a double cab pickup truck. Fully offset against tax and 100% VAT reclaimable. Reasonably refined these days and with the electronics taming the torque to the crude rear axle, they have powerful engine options. They are very big/long though even when compared to the Defender 110.

 

[Lakesdigger]

In other words they were not built to take it.

Maybe but then you could argue that when the towing capacity race was on some others were upping numbers without improving things which needed done. And ffs was a land rover ever safer with 3.5 ton behind it than anything else would be?

 

[Lakesdigger]

For a pure work truck perspective with five seats and all the absolutely necessary kit you cannot beat a double cab pickup truck. Fully offset against tax and 100% VAT reclaimable. Reasonably refined these days and with the electronics taming the torque to the crude rear axle, they have powerful engine options. They are very big/long though even when compared to the Defender 110.

Getting very wide as well

 

[Cowabunga]

Ok (in a Monty Pythonesque tone) but in what other ways is it superior ?

There’s no cheaply painted separate chassis to rust out. It’s mainly aluminium alloy and a monocoque.

 

[Cowabunga]

Getting very wide as well

People want to fit pallets and plywood sheets between the rear wheel arches and passengers are human-size these days and want width for three to fit comfortably in the second row with leg room to stretch out a bit, and even in the front row of the Defender.

 

[Nithsdale]

I can confirm that they can very easily tow 3.5t. however, the hilux can do it legally so would be more of a competitor to the defender IMO.

how the old defenders, disco 1, fourtraks etc were rated to 3.5t and the new cruiser is only 3t is a mystery. they were all much lighter, much less effective brakes, and roughly half the power.

I don't really care how or why it's only rated to 3t...

And I really don't care that it'll easily tow 3.5t...


The plate says it can't - so it isn't legal. And I'm not interested.

 

[Lakesdigger]

People want to fit pallets and plywood sheets between the rear wheel arches and passengers are human-size these days and want width for three to fit comfortably in the second row with leg room to stretch out a bit, and even in the front row of the Defender.

I don't doubt it has its advantages but when with a trailer behind you're better taking a tractor and trailer as it will fit better where you're going it's not ideal.