New defender

[Lakes Nash]

Because the new Defender looks superb (IMO) compared to the Toyota View attachment 1015445View attachment 1015446

you cannot compare one with extras against one without for looks, must admit the Landrover are growing on me from the front! they just need to give Suzuki an award for nicking the rear!

 

[Lakesdigger]

you cannot compare one with extras against one without for looks, must admit the Landrover are growing on me from the front! they just need to give Suzuki an award for nicking the rear!

Don't forget jeep for the front

 

[Lakes Nash]

Decent power level, better gearbox, better towing capacity, better spec level, uk based company (kind of) the list goes on

Built in Slovakia!

 

[dave mountain]

I'm a little dubious as to figures on remapped 3.0 hiluxs and certainly at those figures they must be like riding round with a hand grenade and the pin out under the bonnet. Mine is mapped and nowhere near this figures (and by a very good and well respected mapper on a rolling road).

is yours mk6 or mk7? supposedly the later engine doesn't remap as well

 

[Lakesdigger]

is yours mk6 or mk7? supposedly the later engine doesn't remap as well

2010 whichever that is (or is it somewhere in between).

 

[dave mountain]

2010 whichever that is (or is it somewhere in between).

yes thats the later engine, same as my 2015. the early mk6 dont have DPF and perform far better after a remap than the later engine. mine is supposedly 240hp though ive never had it on a rolling road, doesnt seem to go as well as mk6 but still no slouch, though it might be to do with the traction control too

who did your remap? ive never seen a stage 1 below 230hp for any mk6/7 3.0
this is a fairly average stage 1, all the others i looked at were +/- a few hp.
this is for the later engine, the earlier 3.0 engines were a couple hp less standard but more hp after a map

 

[Andrew K]

Feel fortunate to have had this delivered in September with all the right spec fitted having ordered it in early June with some discount. I ought to cash it in really but it’s one hell of a truck, there’s not much else I’d rather have.

Glad to see you got it ok!

 

[Lakes Nash]

I'm a little dubious as to figures on remapped 3.0 hiluxs and certainly at those figures they must be like riding round with a hand grenade and the pin out under the bonnet. Mine is mapped and nowhere near this figures (and by a very good and well respected mapper on a rolling road).

i aint or even gonna remap mine, mk7 has plenty of power, it is 14" longer than the D2 i did up, best thing about the D2 is permant 4wd, low box and will stick the ifor where the hilux wont! but hilux never needs anything, D2 has had total rebuild but is still needy! so she went! but in my job the Hiace van is far better than a pickup or defender, but wont legally pull the digger, but it does as it looks right and plod is a rare thing nowadays!

 

[Lakesdigger]

yes thats the later engine, same as my 2015. the early mk6 dont have DPF and perform far better after a remap than the later engine. mine is supposedly 240hp though ive never had it on a rolling road, doesnt seem to go as well as mk6 but still no slouch, though it might be to do with the traction control too

who did your remap? ive never seen a stage 1 below 230hp for any mk6/7 3.0
this is a fairly average stage 1, all the others i looked at were +/- a few hp.
this is for the later engine, the earlier 3.0 engines were a couple hp less standard but more hp after a map
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Mine has no dpf but as i say i think it lands almost between a mk6 and 7. Pendle performance remap on mine and it was for drivability not outright performance but i doubt these huge figures like you quote there are either true or a long term thing.

 

[dave mountain]

Mine has no dpf but as i say i think it lands almost between a mk6 and 7. Pendle performance remap on mine and it was for drivability not outright performance but i doubt these huge figures like you quote there are either true or a long term thing.

have you had the dpf removed? 05-08 is mk6, 2009-2011 are mk6 facelift, which have a dpf (euro 5 came in 2009) 2012-2015 is mk7

 

[Lakesdigger]

have you had the dpf removed? 05-08 is mk6, 2009-2011 are mk6 facelift, which have a dpf (euro 5 came in 2009) 2012-2015 is mk7

Nope only ever had a cat on mine and no it's not an import

 

[dave mountain]

Nope only ever had a cat on mine and no it's not an import

must just be mk7 then. im surprised yours is putting out much less than 240hp especially as its pre dpf

ive been in a mk6 which was over 300hp on rolling road, but it had induction kit and a couple other bits done to it. was done at about 70k miles and now on about 150k. it scared the sh*t out of me though 1KD is a very strong and under stressed engine and as long as looked after accordingly a good map wont hurt it

 

[Lakesdigger]

must just be mk7 then. im surprised yours is putting out much less than 240hp especially as its pre dpf

I'd only believe 240hp if i saw it on a dyno (and ambient air temp set correctly).

 

[ARW]

Am I right in thinking you press a button to deploy the tow bar on this new defender?
If so that is a waste of money. Who the feck actually wants that feature?

 

[dave mountain]

I'd only believe 240hp if i saw it on a dyno (and ambient air temp set correctly).

i have no reason to think mine isnt 240 or at least close, a friend has a mk6 with a map from the same company as mine and his was 240 (as promised) on rolling road, and like i said ive been in another that was 300 odd on rolling road. thats engine hp, not rwhp.
2.0 diesel cars are routinely putting out 200hp+ straight from the factory nowadays so a much less strangled 3.0 doing 240 after a remap isnt exactly something to shout about.

the map in the photo is from celtic who are reputable, every other stage 1 i looked at were within a couple hp of that. the eco maps were somewhere around 200hp so maybe thats what you have, doesnt mean theres anything wrong with other maps. personally i wouldnt have bothered mapping mine just for 30hp

 

[Lakesdigger]

i have no reason to think mine isnt 240 or at least close, a friend has a mk6 with a map from the same company as mine and his was 240 (as promised) on rolling road, and like i said ive been in another that was 300 odd on rolling road. thats engine hp, not rwhp.
2.0 diesel cars are routinely putting out 200hp+ straight from the factory nowadays so a much less strangled 3.0 doing 240 after a remap isnt exactly something to shout about.

the map in the photo is from celtic who are reputable, every other stage 1 i looked at were within a couple hp of that. the eco maps were somewhere around 200hp so maybe thats what you have, doesnt mean theres anything wrong with other maps. personally i wouldnt have bothered mapping mine just for 30hp

It's not the hp you map them for though. As Martin at pendle told me before i booked it in the 3.0 d4d isn't the most advanced engine and there isn't much extra to be had from them. But the power and torque delivery can be massively improved and thus the drivabilty. Mine is absolutely night and day different before and after and you honestly would think it was way more gain than it is.
I'm not gonna sit here and call bulls**t on other tuners figures. But peak numbers are one thing delivery across the whole rev range is quite another.
If 240hp and 550 torque was easily and reliably available without sky rocketing intake or exhaust temps or running injectors up towards 100% duty cycle I believe pendle would be turning those figures out.

 

[Cowabunga]

I'm talking about what's coming out now not what is just clocking 200k. I have a td5 on 220odd but the 2.2's I see advertised or the disco 4's have often had new engines at relatively low miles. Early 2000-2010 motors were very good hilux, defender, landcruisers etc. This very late stuff is plagued with junk. Toyota are king for the miles. They are exceptional vehicles but as I said before they bore the bones off me. My heart wants defender my head wants Toyota

Change the oil pump on early Ford 2.2 diesels and they will last as long as any other engine ever made in the same class. The Ford V6 diesel ‘Lion’ engine used by Land and Range Rover plus Jaguar has a very high failure rate. Nothing whatsoever to do with electronics or emission equipment. They just didn’t get the basic design of the crankshaft right from the start. Basically the engine is, relatively speaking, absolute garbage. It goes well until it doesn’t.
So both the engines you mention have failures totally unrelated with the ‘junk’ you insinuate to be responsible. They have basic mechanical design faults, which have been an issue with some designs since time immemorial. Think Ford porous blocks for a farm engine example.

Toyota are certainly more reliable than average but don’t be under any illusion that they are uniformly perfect. I had far more build issues with my Land Cruiser 100 than with my 2004 Range Rover. The latter being absolutely perfect from day one until the day I sold it with literally only the driver’s door stop strap anchor needing tightening once. The Cruiser needed a new fog light, driver’s seat belt because it didn’t retract, several attempts to get the front tyre wear/wheel alignment right and a transmission computer under warranty. The steering wheel adjustment motors failed soon after warranty and was left as a non adjustable column for the next 18 years. On the whole, once the initial build issues were sorted, it was amazingly reliable for 200,000 hard miles.

 

[Cowabunga]

1980s landrovers can rarely do much more than 100k without major work, and the newer one often dont manage much more. 1980s 60 series landcruisers regularly do over 1 million miles without work to engine or gearbox. it wasnt that all cars were bad in the 80s its just that landrovers are bad. so, not sure why there is such confidence in the new defender, especially given how complicated and inherently expensive to repair it is. green oval disease...

Did your 60 series reach a million miles or did a friend of a friend’s daughter’s boyfriend tell you so?

 

[Skintagain]

Change the oil pump on early Ford 2.2 diesels and they will last as long as any other engine ever made in the same class. The Ford V6 diesel ‘Lion’ engine used by Land and Range Rover plus Jaguar has a very high failure rate. Nothing whatsoever to do with electronics or emission equipment. They just didn’t get the basic design of the crankshaft right from the start. Basically the engine is, relatively speaking, absolute garbage. It goes well until it doesn’t.

So both the engines you mention have failures totally unrelated with the ‘junk’ you insinuate to be responsible. They have basic mechanical design faults, which have been an issue with some designs since time immemorial. Think Ford porous blocks for a farm engine example.

Toyota are certainly more reliable than average but don’t be under any illusion that they are uniformly perfect. I had far more build issues with my Land Cruiser 100 than with my 2004 Range Rover. The latter being absolutely perfect from day one until the day I sold it with literally only the driver’s door stop strap anchor needing tightening once. The Cruiser needed a new fog light, driver’s seat belt because it didn’t retract, several attempts to get the front tyre wear/wheel alignment right and a transmission computer under warranty. The steering wheel adjustment motors failed soon after warranty and was left as a non adjustable column for the next 18 years. On the whole, once the initial build issues were sorted, it was amazingly reliable for 200,000 hard miles.

Sorry mr Wikipedia

lot of strain on modern small engines boosting hard. Can’t keep boost pipes on them 2.2’s

 

[Mark C]

Am I right in thinking you press a button to deploy the tow bar on this new defender?
If so that is a waste of money. Who the feck actually wants that feature?

My D5 came with that, i was skeptical but it works well. It's rated at 3.5t which the detachable one isn't. The permantly fixed one looks a bit of a bodge job. I don't tow with mine more than once a month so it looks way better when it's stowed and you don't smack your shins on it when getting something out of the back.