New Drill Horsch Avatar 12.25

Acke

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Sweden Enköping
Not quite sure how that is good value, by that I mean it is a very expensive drill considering it has no cultivation elements, thus a one trick pony. Would imagine the depreciation will be huge, will be worth less than 60k in two years. Have looked at one before and don't see how it is better than a 750a, which it copies, other than and a nut and bolt to adjust depth which is a right pain. Do think combi, Fert drilling has its place but at what cost, when can be spun on ahead of planting, or liquid NPK through one of their excellent trailed sprayers.

Im not conserne about the resale value! If it is a good drill keep it for some years, and see in the future when it had to be sold what the resale value is? Combi drill is always better dry years, and save 5-10% fertilizer ! You problaby be happy with that drill , it is a high quality drill!
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
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NSW, Newstralya
Based on a recent quote a 6m 750a is 33% more expensive per m - doesn’t have fert, has one hopper not 4 etc

750a not the most expensive either - most others with fert are 15-29k per m and some like cross slot over 35k per m currently in NZ seed and fert spec !

I disagree on the fert, a decade of no till has taught me there are many situations where it makes a big difference. I would not own a no-till drill without ability to place get with seed

That’s why I think it’s value - expensive yes of course but tramruvevti it’s size and the area it will cover it’s value vs alternatives

Not that there are any alternatives really at this width - as far as I’m aware the Avatar is the only 12m disc no till drill sold in the uk right now ?


Both our 750’s have been low depreciation and cheap to run, I don’t see this being much different really though ? 2 yr old value is irrelevant, it will do 10yrs plus I hope and my establishment cost per acre are so low under zerotill they really are not worth worrying about

Well said
 

Acke

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Location
Sweden Enköping
About deep setting , it will be done in less than 20 min! And th seed placement is exelent on a Avatar!
You have on deep on grain, one on OSR , one on beens and one on peas! No need to adjust more than this.
 
Because? Not seeing much benefit?

Because I dont like cleaning it. I dont think my soils lock up P and I tend to plant spring crops later ie april anyway.

N goes on after drilling broadcast as its just a bit easier. The benefit isnt massive in my view but it can be useful

But Im glad I have the solid fert facility. Its very handy
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Just set-up / operator training today but putting a bit of cover crop into OSR stubbles while we are at it


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Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Looks good. If you can pull it up that bank without weights you’ll be find everywhere else surely.


I think so - that's pretty much as steep as its gets for us (as you know really) I think, dropping the tires pressure to where they should be and fitting the front weight box will help as well if need be


also nice change for a machine to be as wide as ts supposed to be - RTK set at 12m and its spot on with combine (12.3 set at 12) and sprayer (36 set at 36) Wheeling - seems Horsch actually understand CTF
 
I think so - that's pretty much as steep as its gets for us (as you know really) I think, dropping the tires pressure to where they should be and fitting the front weight box will help as well if need be


also nice change for a machine to be as wide as ts supposed to be - RTK set at 12m and its spot on with combine (12.3 set at 12) and sprayer (36 set at 36) Wheeling - seems Horsch actually understand CTF


I must have missed your conversion to CTF.
You used to say that you did CTF only at harvest and then drilled at an angle to the permanent tramlines and CTF drilling wasn’t necessary.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I must have missed your conversion to CTF.
You used to say that you did CTF only at harvest and then drilled at an angle to the permanent tramlines and CTF drilling wasn’t necessary.

we have been CTF Harvest and application) for nearly a decade apart from drills 24/12 and now 36/12 with drills at 6m (so still multiples of 12) which as you say I didn't really feel needed to be as lightweight no till ground carries traffic well

however with a 12m drill now it seems daft not to be so we are fully 12 / 36 ctf now
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
3 drills in 4 years .

I've had 3 drills in 30 years

4m and then the 6m both 750a cost me nothing and saved me a small fortune

CO conversion is about 10k spent for a 6m seed and fert DD machine and is still very useful - I suspect if I was to sell it I would make a tidy profit however !

The avatar 12 should be here some time but I would sell this winter if the deal was right !

It's cost of use that matters and also ability to complete workload in combination with available labour , I suspect we fam very different businesses
 
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bobk

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Location
stafford
4m and then the 6m both 750a cost me nothing and saved me a small fortune

CO conversion is about 10k spent for a 6m seed and fert DD machine and is still very useful - I suspect if I was to sell it I would make a tidy profit however !

The avatar 12 should be here some time but I would sell in months if the deal was right !

It's cost of use that matters and also ability to complete workload in combination with available labour , I suspect we fam very different businesses

Maybe you should have an open day also .
 

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