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Farmer2020

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Livestock Farmer
My husband and I are 3 years into our 5 year FBT in the north of England, it's a small farm with 50 acres and a big yard. We have a suckler herd on the rough ground and then sell stores in the Autumn and retain a few heifers to sell in the spring with calf at foot. We also have a small calf rearing unit which we also sell as stores.

When we came here the landlord made noises that there would be grass leys and cover crops available on the larger part of the estate and the business plan we submitted was that we'd graze these with the reared calves and the weaned calves from the suckler herd to sell as finished. That has never materialised (for various reasons beyond ours and the landlord's control) and we are feeling a bit disenchanted as whilst we aren't losing money we certainly aren't making a sensible return on our investment.

We both work fulltime with good jobs so we aren't destitute but we sold our house to put up the capital to start the farm here and last year we took a small loan to put up a new shed, which is a tenants improvement so at the end of the tenancy we'll get the value back. We've had a long hard look this week and we think with the removal of stamp duty this Autumn we'd be better handing back our FBT, selling up and buying a house.

Our ultimate goal was to move to a larger holding from here or buy a house and a barn that would serve as a base that we could rent more land from. We think if we stay here for another 2 years we'll have barely kept up with inflation, whereas with a house in 5 years time all the money we are putting into rent will be equity. For those who have gone from no farming background to tenants to owner-occupiers what did you do?
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
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Fen Edge
At least you had a house to sell in the first place. I know several who have put everything into the farm with no property back up. I find your outlook a bit odd as surely if you were doing it for an investment you would have bought another house rather than farming? I’m also surprised (but pleased for you) if you were allowed to put up a barn on a 5 year fbt and that the landlord is obliged to buy you out. I’m also sorry that you feel how you do and can only suggest that things might feel different in 12 months (stamp duty freebie might have disappeared but I’m betting on house prices falling)
 

lloyd

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Herefordshire
Is farming in your blood or did you just fancy the idea ?
I would look at a bigger block of bare land that comes up with an FBT
and simultaneously look at a nearby small holding to buy say 10 acres .
You would have to get your timings right but possible.
Why not ring around a few agents and put some feelers out?
You would be investing in your base knowing that it is for your own benefit only.
I think you'd be foolish to stay put,lifes too short.
 
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Bogweevil

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My husband and I are 3 years into our 5 year FBT in the north of England, it's a small farm with 50 acres and a big yard. We have a suckler herd on the rough ground and then sell stores in the Autumn and retain a few heifers to sell in the spring with calf at foot. We also have a small calf rearing ... and a barn that would serve as a base that we could rent more land from. We think if we stay here for another 2 years we'll have barely kept up with inflation, whereas with a house in 5 years time all the money we are putting into rent will be equity. For those who have gone from no farming background to tenants to owner-occupiers what did you do?

Could you buy-to-let now so you have something to fall back on?
 
The temporary removal of stamp duty is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things, certainly not enough reason to make such a change unless things were extremely finely balanced before and even then shouldn’t be an important factor in considering your future.
Unfortunately the profitability of small scale tenanted farming is allways going to be very marginal unless you can supply some sort of niche market, which is probably going to need more time devoted to it which probably you haven’t got if you’ve both got decent jobs.
Unfortunately your farming is little more than an interest, a hobby and a lifestyle, if that’s your passion then fine but as a pure investment/money making venture you’d probably be better off out of it, living in your own home with an investment in a buy to let property .
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
You haven't made a mistake. But I'd treat the farming as a hobby / lifestyle choice and then if it makes some money its a bonus. Thats how we roll here.
If it becomes tiresome, and only you will know that, then maybe its time for a change along the lines you suggest. Id agree though the stamp duty issue is marginally important and i wouldn't make that the basis of my decision.
 

Farmer2020

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Livestock Farmer
These comments are helping put things in perspective. I think our frustration was that at this point in our tenancy we'd be looking at larger units but we recently applied and were bounced back due to a lack of capital. We were thinking we'd build equity faster if we were paying down a mortgage rather than putting money into rent each month; which would allow us in 10 years or so to find a larger unit.
 

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