New Fertiliser spreader time. KUHN, KRM, KVERNELAND or maybe SULKY

[juke]

Can't fault kv here, absloute dream and easy to use ours is all singing and dancing TL geospread as that was the advice most folk on here advised and the kv man.

Do any of the other spreaders using a central dosing system now or multi vanes?, if any of them do then they are the ones to look at against the kv/ vicon.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Tell me, How is double overlap compatible with section control? Or headland spreading?

 

[mengeleguru]

I’ll get the popcorn

My answer KRM, now on my second of them. And in answer to the above post YES the paintwork on them is fantastic

On the new machines all of the frame work underneath is now sloped down so no fertiliser can build up on the ledges, also the mudguards pull out on a clip so making washing easier and again no where for material to ledge on.

They have thought about cleaning you see.

 

[Hampton]

I've started looking too. Got a price for an amazone and it's not much more for a weigh cell one than a vari rate. Can use isobus screen or separate screen for same cost. Have been told they're dead easy(lol)
We have had an amazone spreader forever so am reluctant to change, why did you think they are complicated?

The new Amazone spreaders are miles better than the old ones

 

[An Gof]

I've started looking too. Got a price for an amazone and it's not much more for a weigh cell one than a vari rate. Can use isobus screen or separate screen for same cost. Have been told they're dead easy(lol)
We have had an amazone spreader forever so am reluctant to change, why did you think they are complicated?

Count up all the actuators on an Amazone. That was enough to make my mind up for me. Actuators are a fail point on all the machines and are alarmingly expensive. I like Amazone kit and think their mounted sprayers are without equal. I looked at an Amazone spreader bit just too many fail points.
Much less to go wrong on the KRM but if it does go (which it will) the actuator is £££££££
apart from that its a bullet proof machine. Weighcell and section control on the model here.
One minor issue is that the pattern spreads so far back that when driving into the tramline to turn on 24m spreading the auto shut of is set as late as possible BUT there is still a slight underdose due to the pattern being so far back. Don't seem to be able to correct this without driving through the headland tramline before turning.

 

[redsloe]

One minor issue is that the pattern spreads so far back that when driving into the tramline to turn on 24m spreading the auto shut of is set as late as possible BUT there is still a slight underdose due to the pattern being so far back. Don't seem to be able to correct this without driving through the headland tramline before turning

Our 10 year old spreader does that. We vary the direction of travel do that evens it up a bit.
Hamblys are KRM I think? How do prices compare before I get them excited!

 

[Adeptandy]

Really liked my Sulky and the option to boarder spread either side of the machine, currently on an Amazone which doesn't have this feature but I do like the info on the app for settings with the Amazone. I'd be happy with either again, but saying that, think liquid will be the next step.

 

[An Gof]

Our 10 year old spreader does that. We vary the direction of travel do that evens it up a bit.
Hamblys are KRM I think? How do prices compare before I get them excited!

I have had both mine from Hamblys through James Poad. Get them to get Chris Whear from KRM to speak with you. He is an excellent chap. Service from KRM and back up on technical questions/issues is fantastic.

 

[Fergieman]

Kuhn hydraulic drive here which for hillsides is great, and can border spread either side. No trying to keep people at 540 going up and down hills, hydraulics keep discs at same speed no matter tractor rpm, you can work all day at lower revs.

 

[Alistair Nelson]

On the new machines all of the frame work underneath is now sloped down so no fertiliser can build up on the ledges, also the mudguards pull out on a clip so making washing easier and again no where for material to ledge on.

They have thought about cleaning you see.

that is the huge plus in the new KRM’s same machine just easier to clean really well thought out, and actually that sort of thinking costs nothing but is priceless down the line.

 

[stevedave]

I've started looking too. Got a price for an amazone and it's not much more for a weigh cell one than a vari rate. Can use isobus screen or separate screen for same cost. Have been told they're dead easy(lol)
We have had an amazone spreader forever so am reluctant to change, why did you think they are complicated?

The price on the Amazone was very competitive and it wasn't the setting of it I was concerned about rather than the way it gets to the same place as the KRM. For example on the headland spreading on the Amazone you had discs spinning at different speeds and drop positions changing. I think the Amazone is probably every but as good as the KRM but if one thing is out then a lot could go wrong but it was a very close call price on both machines was very close too. The one area where all manufactures need to up their game is the charts and that was a minus for the Kuhn and KV group. Having run both makes now the charts are quite poor on both. The Amazone charts were abit vauge on some of the stuff we spread but the Krm seemed to cover everything. Time will tell if they are accurate or not.

 

[spikeislander]

Wouldn’t have Kuhn on the list tbh, got one but it’s been pretty unreliable , mainly the actuators , surprised not been mentioned that much and mainly Kuhn are a crap firm to deal with! They have a known problem and have done nothing to sort it and you’ll struggle to get anywhere with them.
I wouldn’t have Kuhn on the farm if I can help it

 

[Chae1]

Wouldn’t have Kuhn on the list tbh, got one but it’s been pretty unreliable , mainly the actuators , surprised not been mentioned that much and mainly Kuhn are a crap firm to deal with! They have a known problem and have done nothing to sort it and you’ll struggle to get anywhere with them.
I wouldn’t have Kuhn on the farm if I can help it

How old is it?

They promised me issue was sorted on newer models. Got 4 years warranty on actuators on mine.

 

[An Gof]

The price on the Amazone was very competitive and it wasn't the setting of it I was concerned about rather than the way it gets to the same place as the KRM. For example on the headland spreading on the Amazone you had discs spinning at different speeds and drop positions changing. I think the Amazone is probably every but as good as the KRM but if one thing is out then a lot could go wrong but it was a very close call price on both machines was very close too. The one area where all manufactures need to up their game is the charts and that was a minus for the Kuhn and KV group. Having run both makes now the charts are quite poor on both. The Amazone charts were abit vauge on some of the stuff we spread but the Krm seemed to cover everything. Time will tell if they are accurate or not.

With the KRM the chartsare all available on a phone app. Simple and straightforward. Even
If the calibration factor is slightly out it doesn’t really matter with the weigh cell as it adjusts itself automatically.

 

[traineefarmer]

The price on the Amazone was very competitive and it wasn't the setting of it I was concerned about rather than the way it gets to the same place as the KRM. For example on the headland spreading on the Amazone you had discs spinning at different speeds and drop positions changing. I think the Amazone is probably every but as good as the KRM but if one thing is out then a lot could go wrong but it was a very close call price on both machines was very close too. The one area where all manufactures need to up their game is the charts and that was a minus for the Kuhn and KV group. Having run both makes now the charts are quite poor on both. The Amazone charts were abit vauge on some of the stuff we spread but the Krm seemed to cover everything. Time will tell if they are accurate or not.

How so? We run an 11 year old non-weigh cell Vicon RO-XL. You weigh a bit of fert, run it through the sieve, stick the info into the app and you're done. We do a calibration run on each product yearly and save the settings. Simple and takes about 20 mins.

 

[stevedave]

How so? We run an 11 year old non-weigh cell Vicon RO-XL. You weigh a bit of fert, run it through the sieve, stick the info into the app and you're done. We do a calibration run on each product yearly and save the settings. Simple and takes about 20 mins.

It's the drop point that is often wrong. We had last year 1 fertiliser last year that the settings were the same for 18m and 24m. I always used to do the shaker test and weigh but that doesn't give you the drop point that just gives the flow factor. If the drop point is wrong then the spread pattern will be wrong.

 

[spikeislander]

How old is it?

They promised me issue was sorted on newer models. Got 4 years warranty on actuators on mine.

Pretty old now 2012 I think but went wrong after two years , we are liquid so doesn’t warrant replacing but if I was I wouldn’t get another.
They may well have sorted on new ones but they’ve made plenty of money selling replacement parts for the poor actuators they put on my age ones.
A reputable company would have replaced foc IMO

 

[Farma Parma]

It's the drop point that is often wrong. We had last year 1 fertiliser last year that the settings were the same for 18m and 24m. I always used to do the shaker test and weigh but that doesn't give you the drop point that just gives the flow factor. If the drop point is wrong then the spread pattern will be wrong.

Never move any of that on mine & cant tell naff all difference with any products.
Presume where on about the Geospread? or Vicon Equ? here
I know one thing since i changed from a fully manual operated fixed speed kuhn that would be 20yr old now if i still had it,
ive had zero crop ever spread twice or doubled in n out of any butts or headlands whatsoever.
AFAIK the Geopoint is more to do with the right time it switches on/off in/out of headland turns, but i was advised to set it once & leave it be. so i have

 

[Robt]

So, I’ll approach this as a manufacture . We test 100’s of different fert samples. They are tested in a test hall at a specific air moisture content. You then unload your fert in your yard and spread on a wet, Misty, dry, windy day..... the only way is to do a flow test ( automatically on a weigh cell machine ) and a granual and density test. You will all have seen two bags that look different from the same lorry load. The only way to set up is to use the app as a guide but test on the say using the granulometer and test trays provided ( and density) else it’s all but guessing

 

[Robt]

Another good point when looking at new machines is to price the cost of actuators .... €380 for sulky