New Highway code rules ffs

[Exfarmer]

The picture I saw on the Conservative Facebook page showed cyclists being encouraged to hold center lane 'to increase their road presence and thus safety'. If a dozen slow moving cyclists on a dozen roads elect to do this along with a dozen activist pedestrians rotating around four corners at a junction exercise their right over vehicles they could bring a city center to gridlock and the incidence of road rage would go through the roof.
Surely with rights comes responsibilities. Spatial awareness including hearing should be a required responsibility. Earphones should be gone and mirrors should be needed. Cyclists should, like vehicle owners, live with the fear of a 'without due care and attention' charge, the subsequent fines and penalties.

as a Cyclist I agree, but you are wrong in that, without due care and attention does apply to bikes.
The problem all of us face both motorist, bikes , and pedestrians is a complete lack of policing.
As a boy I got pulled up by a policeman for putting my hand on a car as I waited at a junction, to steady myself. He b*****d me as he said it was dangerous and I could have damaged said car .
He was right but when do you see any sort of policing today? the only time they are out is in the event of an accident, and in nearly every accident involving vehicles of any sort and cyclists or pedestrians we all know who comes off worst!
Every day I am out I see bad / dangerous driving which endangers other people. I also see bad cycling but unlike dangerous vehicles, 99% of the time only endangers the the rider.
I know it is frustrating to be held up by groups of bikes equally for us it can be frustrating to be held up by tractors ( Pay no b***y tax, run on cheap diesel, leave mud all over the roads ) but 99% of us all try and get on with life and assist others to get on with theirs it is just that 1% who make life difficult for all of us.

 

[combinedoctor]

It may be but, I'm probably notView attachment 1012072

Nice condition gsxr1100but not as quick as mine

 

[TheTallGuy]

as a Cyclist I agree, but you are wrong in that, without due care and attention does apply to bikes.
The problem all of us face both motorist, bikes , and pedestrians is a complete lack of policing.
As a boy I got pulled up by a policeman for putting my hand on a car as I waited at a junction, to steady myself. He b*****d me as he said it was dangerous and I could have damaged said car .
He was right but when do you see any sort of policing today? the only time they are out is in the event of an accident, and in nearly every accident involving vehicles of any sort and cyclists or pedestrians we all know who comes off worst!
Every day I am out I see bad / dangerous driving which endangers other people. I also see bad cycling but unlike dangerous vehicles, 99% of the time only endangers the the rider.
I know it is frustrating to be held up by groups of bikes equally for us it can be frustrating to be held up by tractors ( Pay no b***y tax, run on cheap diesel, leave mud all over the roads ) but 99% of us all try and get on with life and assist others to get on with theirs it is just that 1% who make life difficult for all of us.

I find it quite ironic how often I hear folk complain about policing these days being reactive rather than proactive... then the same folk will go on and moan about things such as DVSA roadside checks and speed cameras!

I think that if I was in charge though, I would create a special police role purely for roads policing and their roles would be ring fenced so they don't get dragged off for other jobs. Their focus would be to pull every car they see with dodgy numberplates or faulty lights etc., pull the idiots that hoof it to "beat the lights" and so on - tackle the grass roots misdemeanours and boost the penalties so that folk realise that using the roads is a privilege.

 

[primmiemoo]

Guessing very few drive, or walk around Bodmin. Some roads in the town are marked with different colours and textures which actually makes negotiating them on foot, or by vehicle easier, ime. There aren't any zebra crossings. Road signage is only for directions. The presumption is that every pedestrian is going to cross the road, and that traffic from side roads is to be permitted to merge with the main road.

Much less stressful than lines everywhere. Much more evidence of good road manners and courtesy all round than in most other urban areas, ime.

 

[Exfarmer]

I find it quite ironic how often I hear folk complain about policing these days being reactive rather than proactive... then the same folk will go on and moan about things such as DVSA roadside checks and speed cameras!

I think that if I was in charge though, I would create a special police role purely for roads policing and their roles would be ring fenced so they don't get dragged off for other jobs. Their focus would be to pull every car they see with dodgy numberplates or faulty lights etc., pull the idiots that hoof it to "beat the lights" and so on - tackle the grass roots misdemeanours and boost the penalties so that folk realise that using the roads is a privilege.

that would be popular I am sure it would quickly pay for itself with the fines!

 

[Netherfield]

that would be popular I am sure it would quickly pay for itself with the fines!

That would be a simple way to make money, just follow taxi drivers round in an unmarked car, Red lights, signals and speed limits mean nothing to most of them around here.

 

[Cowabunga]

I have read nothing about being able to go through a red light , can you show documents,
As for junctions , bikes are no different to cars , if he's indicating left he's going left , more and more town trafic lights have a priority light for bikes now anyway to get them out of the way
I think car drivers are imagining difficulty as to stir up more argument
Something I have no interest in. I hate road rudeness from anyone , whatever they drive or ride.
Your comment about pedestrian s is ridiculous, first thing your told when your learning to drive , look out for pedestrian s, would you fly around a junction when you can see them standing on the kerb

You miss the point that you now have to give way, stop, for pedestrians that wish to cross, not just give way to people who are actually crossing as you approach.
Yes they will now be given the right to ignore red traffic lights, which many did anyway. Also bikes are now encouraged to cycle in the middle of the road which also gives carte-blanche to riding side by side of course, which is a total pain in the arse in rural areas such as ours, especially on the main trunk routes where trucks will be held up potentially for miles with all the traffic behind.

 

[Widgetone]

I immediately thought about all those rear end shunts as per post #35. If youre several cars back and everyone does an emergency stop because some ped looks to be thinking about stepping off the pavement in front of a Scania?
This will help the brake test/insurance scammers no end. Only defence may be a dashcam methinks...

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You miss the point that you now have to give way, stop, for pedestrians that wish to cross, not just give way to people who are actually crossing as you approach.
Yes they will now be given the right to ignore red traffic lights, which many did anyway. Also bikes are now encouraged to cycle in the middle of the road which also gives carte-blanche to riding side by side of course, which is a total pain in the arse in rural areas such as ours, especially on the main trunk routes where trucks will be held up potentially for miles with all the traffic behind.

Ok , I thought the comment was regarding bikes jumping red lights , I do see that quite often to be honest , occasionally cars but not often , as for cycling in the middle of the road , perhaps you should read what the new rules say and not what's reported in the press which is clearly wrong , the only time I would pull to the centre is when I'm turning right if it's safe to do so and occasionally when turning left at a junction , having been knocked over a few times from cars cutting accross accross a cycle lane without looking, I am certainly not going to ride like a martyr demanding my right of way at a junction when I have a lethal weapon along side me , self protection is no one in my code , rights comeway down the list

 

[Renaultman]

Nice condition gsxr1100but not as quick as mine

Yeah but to fast for me anyway.

 

[combinedoctor]

Yeah but to fast for me anyway.

Nice bike though, what year is it? I guess 89

 

[Shep]

I cycle, it makes no difference with earphones as you only here wind in your ears at normal cycling speed anyway.
Also not all cyclists are twits, just like all tractor drivers aren't.
The twits just make everyone's life a little harder no matter what they ride or drive

A 19 year old girl was killed local to us, she was out jogging on the hard shoulder, when two twits came up behind her racing eachother, one was on the hard shoulder and she was hit at over 90 mph and flung 60 ft into the air.
If she hadn't had earphones in, there is a good chance she would have heard them coming from a distance away and got out of the way.

 

[Exfarmer]

A 19 year old girl was killed local to us, she was out jogging on the hard shoulder, when two twits came up behind her racing eachother, one was on the hard shoulder and she was hit at over 90 mph and flung 60 ft into the air.
If she hadn't had earphones in, there is a good chance she would have heard them coming from a distance away and got out of the way.

I never use headphones but it is common I do not hear a car until it is very close. I always have a mirror but it is nothing like a car's mirror but I do have a new weapon now radar on my rear light and it picks up a good way off, does not give me the speed though. Trouble is it is no use in continuous traffic but it does give early warning on a quiet road long before I can hear it.
Ring with a club of oldies we have several who have restricted hearing in fact deaf as a post

 

[ollie989898]

A 19 year old girl was killed local to us, she was out jogging on the hard shoulder, when two twits came up behind her racing eachother, one was on the hard shoulder and she was hit at over 90 mph and flung 60 ft into the air.
If she hadn't had earphones in, there is a good chance she would have heard them coming from a distance away and got out of the way.

I won't run on the roads for this exact reason unless there is a pavement.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Ineos Grenadiers Grand Tour star Egan Bernal has been taken to hospital after crashing into a parked bus while training with the team in Colombia.

Early reports from the South American country suggest the 25-year-old, who two weeks ago signed a new five-year deal with the team, collided with the vehicle at a toll and has been taken to a hospital in Bogotá.
Bernal is training in his home country ahead of the new season, with a return to the Tour de France planned, alongside a group of his Ineos teammates, including Richard Carapaz.

Last week the group narrowly avoided a crash with a motorist overtaking another road user on a blind bend

 

[Netherfield]

A 19 year old girl was killed local to us, she was out jogging on the hard shoulder, when two twits came up behind her racing eachother, one was on the hard shoulder and she was hit at over 90 mph and flung 60 ft into the air.
If she hadn't had earphones in, there is a good chance she would have heard them coming from a distance away and got out of the way.

And if she'd been facing oncoming traffic she might have seen them as well.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

I think bicycles should have to have mirrors and the riders should not be allowed to use any earpiece at all. The rules for cyclists were set decades ago when most people just used them as functional vehicles, mostly plodding about, but there many instances now when cycles can be the fastest vehicle on a given road. I know mirrors aren't cool on a bike, but they are life savers without a doubt.

On the 1 0'clock news today there was a piece about the new guidelines. The reporter was in an AA Tuition car and they went through a couple of scenarios. One was how much of a distance to give between a cycle and the overtaking car. No problem with that but they showed the car overtaking the bike on a cross-roads!

Also, they showed the car turning left and having to give way to a pedestrian intending to cros the side road. I've no real problem with that, but does that just apply to crossing side roads near a junction? Seems very, very specific to me. Or does it include pedestrians with intent to cross anywhere? Like dual carriageways? Which would be madness.

I'm not looking forward to travelling near schools in future with kids ambling about all over the place. They seem to congregate near the pelican crossing and I've no idea whether they want to cross or not. I can just imagine if they get the idea they only have to show intent to cross, it'll be chaos.

 

[neilo]

Hope the cyclist was charged with assault

Dangerous characters those cyclists, as evidenced by that video.

I suppose the moral of the story is that, should you happen across an irate bicyclist, get one in first…

 

[bitwrx]

Cars must give way when someone is on the crossing, that suggests that the pedestrian has the right to be there.

Fundamentally, pedestrians have a right to be on any right of way (motorways excepted). Mechanically propelled vehicles are permitted to be there only under licence.

I find keeping that in mind helps me take a balanced view of all this car Vs bike Vs tractor Vs truck Vs bus Vs horse Vs pedestrian bollôcks one finds on the internet.

 

[Green grower]

You miss the point that you now have to give way, stop, for pedestrians that wish to cross, not just give way to people who are actually crossing as you approach.
Yes they will now be given the right to ignore red traffic lights, which many did anyway. Also bikes are now encouraged to cycle in the middle of the road which also gives carte-blanche to riding side by side of course, which is a total pain in the arse in rural areas such as ours, especially on the main trunk routes where trucks will be held up potentially for miles with all the traffic behind.

I agree cyclist in middle of narrow road and overtaking vehicles have to leave 1.5 MTR between them where does offside wheel run?