New information about local nature recovery and landscape recovery

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Seriously ?
We're going from bps and cs to 240 different options ?
How many numpties dreamed this up ?
More importantly, how do we choose the right ones to suit our farms and businesses whilst our costs spiral out of control and the current support system carries on dropping ?

Simple. You pay a small fortune to one of the brown corduroy and brogues brigade, for their wisdom and guidance...
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
This thread is turning into whinge fest
Well as farmers, we have a reputation to uphold.

However, it really does seem that ELMS desparately needs a major shake up, however this new policy direction would need to come from the Minister, not JH and David Kennedy. The pressure will be coming from the PAC and EFRA committees, not us whinging lot...

Would Useless go if Boris gets the chop....? Would a new Minister be any better/different?
 
The other issue with biodiversity offsetting is how the biodiversity is calculated.

Developers are already manipulating the calculation of the existing site biodiversity to minimise the need to offset. The process will only be as good as the local authority planning team staff who assess and approve the developer's submitted calculations, something virtually no local planning teams have any competence to do so far it appears. (Any thoughts on this @George from SJM Planning ?).

At the moment they are supposed to use the DEFRA biodiversity metric but it can be easily manipulated I'm told by a friend who's a skilled ecologist.

I haven't read the whole thread but in terms of LPA understanding of BNG most don't have a clue on how to implement it and we have found that providing you can prove an improvement on the existing situation then there is a 'gain'. There will be guidance on percentage increase in time but at the moment it is a very grey area.
 

devonbeef

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon UK
Why do you think it is only England with the recovery scheme. I fear someone in DEFRA has come up with a cost reduction scheme for HS2. All the damaged land of HS2 needs to be recovered and now there is a big farming pot of money which can be raided annually to repair that damage. Win Win situation you reduce the perceived cost of HS2 and you end up with an environmental corrider through the country which those pesky farmers cannot do anything about as you have already compulsory purchased their land for peanuts.
That sounds quite possibly part of it.If we were all on a level playing field , all uk dealing with same rules, then we would stand a bit more of a chance, but how it is , is nonsense. We will all need further lift in our prices if these input prices are long term. Going off topic i know.I just can not see where this food is going to come from, it just does not make sense. Land going out of production for so many reasons, basically unprofitable to produce it by us, How long until the balance turns?Hopefully soon.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
From the perspective of a farmer, you won't see a big distinction between LNR and SFI, you will access a single service that shows yo what options are available to you on your land, and pick the combination that works for you. The SFI standards will be focused on actions you can take whilst farming to make your farming more environmentally or climate friendly or improve animal health and welfare, and the LNR options will be more locally specific and involve support for collaboration across a local area.

'Surreal' January wildfire shuts California highway​

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Watch: Wildfires light up the night sky in California
An unseasonal wildfire is raging in California's Monterey County, forcing evacuations and the closure of Highway 1, US officials say.
The National Weather Service (NWS) reported a "surreal fire behaviour given the wet Oct and Dec".
The blaze along the Big Sur Pacific coast, dubbed the Colorado Fire, has scorched about 1,500 acres (607 ha).
Strong winds pushed the fire toward the sea, and flames were seen burning near the famous Bixby Creek Bridge.
Senior forestry and fire protection official Mike Meddles said firefighters from 13 agencies from around California's central coast had been deployed to tackle the blaze, according to KTLA digital channel.
The area where the blaze is burning had "little or no fire history," the NWS's Bay Area branch said in a Twitter post. .
"Anecdotally it seems as though the long term drought is acting like a chronic illness where even recent rains and cold winter weather isn't helping to keep fires from developing," the statement said.
Climate change increases the risk of the hot, dry weather that is likely to fuel wildfires.
The world has already warmed by about 1.2C since the industrial era began and temperatures will keep rising unless governments around the world make steep cuts to emissions.
Colorado Fire burns down toward the Bixby Bridge in Big Sur, California. Photo: 22 January 2022
IMAGE SOURCE, THE MERCURY NEWS VIA GETTY IMAGES
Image caption,
Flames were seen moving towards the famous Bixby Creek Bridge on Saturday morning.

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Janet this article shows very well what you & your morons in the Environment Agency are going to inflict on our country, you keep telling us that our summers are going to get hotter & drier & yet your stupid ridiculous policy on the hills are forcing more & more farmers to give up grazing there & it is inevitably leading to vast overgrown bone dry areas just ripe for shocking devastating wildfires.
Your derisory payments for hill farmers are nothing short of a joke & the EA seem to want all farmers & their livestock cleared from the moors, if they do go then so do the grazed firebreaks & who the hell do you think is going to bother going up onto the hills to burn out the firebreaks for safety.
You & your EA minions will bare the total responsibility for the destruction that will undoubtably follow & it will be no use you lot trying to blame it all on global warming when the real blame lies directly at your door step!
 

topground

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.

'Surreal' January wildfire shuts California highway​

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Media caption,
Watch: Wildfires light up the night sky in California
An unseasonal wildfire is raging in California's Monterey County, forcing evacuations and the closure of Highway 1, US officials say.
The National Weather Service (NWS) reported a "surreal fire behaviour given the wet Oct and Dec".
The blaze along the Big Sur Pacific coast, dubbed the Colorado Fire, has scorched about 1,500 acres (607 ha).
Strong winds pushed the fire toward the sea, and flames were seen burning near the famous Bixby Creek Bridge.
Senior forestry and fire protection official Mike Meddles said firefighters from 13 agencies from around California's central coast had been deployed to tackle the blaze, according to KTLA digital channel.
The area where the blaze is burning had "little or no fire history," the NWS's Bay Area branch said in a Twitter post. .
"Anecdotally it seems as though the long term drought is acting like a chronic illness where even recent rains and cold winter weather isn't helping to keep fires from developing," the statement said.
Climate change increases the risk of the hot, dry weather that is likely to fuel wildfires.
The world has already warmed by about 1.2C since the industrial era began and temperatures will keep rising unless governments around the world make steep cuts to emissions.
Colorado Fire burns down toward the Bixby Bridge in Big Sur, California. Photo: 22 January 2022
IMAGE SOURCE, THE MERCURY NEWS VIA GETTY IMAGES
Image caption,
Flames were seen moving towards the famous Bixby Creek Bridge on Saturday morning.

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Janet this article shows very well what you & your morons in the Environment Agency are going to inflict on our country, you keep telling us that our summers are going to get hotter & drier & yet your stupid ridiculous policy on the hills are forcing more & more farmers to give up grazing there & it is inevitably leading to vast overgrown bone dry areas just ripe for shocking devastating wildfires.
Your derisory payments for hill farmers are nothing short of a joke & the EA seem to want all farmers & their livestock cleared from the moors, if they do go then so do the grazed firebreaks & who the hell do you think is going to bother going up onto the hills to burn out the firebreaks for safety.
You & your EA minions will bare the total responsibility for the destruction that will undoubtably follow & it will be no use you lot trying to blame it all on global warming when the real blame lies directly at your door step!
Same thing happened in Australia where ‘environmentalists’ thought they knew better than the Aboriginals who would manage fire risk by regular burning and the native species adapted accordingly.
 

Jonp

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Gwent
"Locals" round here regularly burn the dried bracken on the ungrazed hills. Gets really expensive to put them out when the fires get into the forestry commission land what with all the fire engines and helecopters. Sometimes they blow towards the housing - California style.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
"Locals" round here regularly burn the dried bracken on the ungrazed hills. Gets really expensive to put them out when the fires get into the forestry commission land what with all the fire engines and helecopters. Sometimes they blow towards the housing - California style.
That's because more & more farmers are giving up or being forced by the EA to destock the moors so why should those farmers bother going to help the few proud stubborn farmers that are left with animals up there.
 

PostHarvest

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Location
Warwick
Can anyone explain how the drive towards abandonment of the countryside AKA "rewilding" will mesh with the Weeds Act of 1959? Due to a family dispute a farm local to me as left unworked for a couple of years and very quickly became covered with ragwort, thistles and docks causing major problems to neighbours who were trying to keep their fields clean
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer

'Surreal' January wildfire shuts California highway​

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Media caption,
Watch: Wildfires light up the night sky in California
An unseasonal wildfire is raging in California's Monterey County, forcing evacuations and the closure of Highway 1, US officials say.
The National Weather Service (NWS) reported a "surreal fire behaviour given the wet Oct and Dec".
The blaze along the Big Sur Pacific coast, dubbed the Colorado Fire, has scorched about 1,500 acres (607 ha).
Strong winds pushed the fire toward the sea, and flames were seen burning near the famous Bixby Creek Bridge.
Senior forestry and fire protection official Mike Meddles said firefighters from 13 agencies from around California's central coast had been deployed to tackle the blaze, according to KTLA digital channel.
The area where the blaze is burning had "little or no fire history," the NWS's Bay Area branch said in a Twitter post. .
"Anecdotally it seems as though the long term drought is acting like a chronic illness where even recent rains and cold winter weather isn't helping to keep fires from developing," the statement said.
Climate change increases the risk of the hot, dry weather that is likely to fuel wildfires.
The world has already warmed by about 1.2C since the industrial era began and temperatures will keep rising unless governments around the world make steep cuts to emissions.
Colorado Fire burns down toward the Bixby Bridge in Big Sur, California. Photo: 22 January 2022
IMAGE SOURCE, THE MERCURY NEWS VIA GETTY IMAGES
Image caption,
Flames were seen moving towards the famous Bixby Creek Bridge on Saturday morning.

---------
Janet this article shows very well what you & your morons in the Environment Agency are going to inflict on our country, you keep telling us that our summers are going to get hotter & drier & yet your stupid ridiculous policy on the hills are forcing more & more farmers to give up grazing there & it is inevitably leading to vast overgrown bone dry areas just ripe for shocking devastating wildfires.
Your derisory payments for hill farmers are nothing short of a joke & the EA seem to want all farmers & their livestock cleared from the moors, if they do go then so do the grazed firebreaks & who the hell do you think is going to bother going up onto the hills to burn out the firebreaks for safety.
You & your EA minions will bare the total responsibility for the destruction that will undoubtably follow & it will be no use you lot trying to blame it all on global warming when the real blame lies directly at your door step!
This is exactly what happened in Eastern Australia in 2020. They had forgotten to re-establish the fire brakes that the previous generation used to routinely do, when farming was profitable enough to do so.
Wildfires are nothing new in Australia. But creating firebreaks to limit the effect had either been forgotten or the environmentalists thought better of it and they ended up with something far, far worse!
 

Jonp

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Gwent
This is exactly what happened in Eastern Australia in 2020. They had forgotten to re-establish the fire brakes that the previous generation used to routinely do, when farming was profitable enough to do so.
Wildfires are nothing new in Australia. But creating firebreaks to limit the effect had either been forgotten or the environmentalists thought better of it and they ended up with something far, far worse!
I'm sure that's the problem in the forestry around here....the firebrakes aren't maintained.
 

Jonp

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Gwent
Yes....the dried bracken goes right into the edge of the forests....so only a question of time and right wind direction and we'll have more huge fires around here.
 

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