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puppet

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Planted 12,000 trees.

Trying regenerative arable.

Bought no new kit.

Using a lot less Nitrogen.

No holidays or flights anywhere.

Not been out for over 2 years.

Had no fun at all.
....but you have done your bit.

Of course, in the process you have knackered our economy but that is the payoff for cutting consumption
 

Cowabunga

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Yet another typical attempt at character assassination as is increasingly found through many walks of scientific life today. It’s prevalence is rather sickening and doesn’t bode well for a future based on rationality and fact. Koonin’s biography and qualifications are impeccable and he does not deny for one minute that there is human influence in aspects of the climate. What he questions are the hysterical conclusions drawn from a rather dodgy science of randomness and the way it is presented to a largely gullible public who do not and would not know how to question it.

This is one of the reviews that sums the book up rather well and far more rationally than the bottom 5% of reviews which are mostly what one would expect of the blinkered 'true believers’...

Amazon reviewer quote...A brave book in the current "climate". Koonin is neither a climate change "denier", nor even particularly sceptical. What he does in this book is to expose the chasm between what the media, politicians, activists and campaigners tell us "The Science" says and what scientific studies actually indicate. He fully accepts that fossil fuel emissions resulting from human activities likely do have an impact on the climate. It's just that the scale of the challenge is uncertain and probably will not be an insurmountable problem for humanity in the foreseeable future. And certainly will not amount to what the media paints as an "existential" catastrophe. A good, thoughtful, well-researched and well-balanced book. Sadly, I suspect that it will have little impact on the legions of "true-believers", for whom this is a moral and not a scientific issue…. end quote

Do read it. If the man displays some arrogant writing style, that is no different to a great many other academics and scientists in more than just climate forecasting.
 
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Mike Shellenberger has written a good book too. No hysteria

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Cowabunga

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Mike Shellenberger has written a good book too. No hysteria

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There is a scathing review of this book too, as one expects these days in bulk, from Peter Gleick, who is a water conservation scientist who founded the Pacific Institute, which is a water resources think tank. It illustrates the pretentiousness and supreme arrogance of scientists very well, which is an accusation levelled against Coonin by other scientists and can be taken with a pinch of salt. That’s because it seems to be the de-facto way for disagreeing scientists to criticise each other these days but especially ones that dare question the orthodoxy of the day. History tells us that the orthodoxy of the day for ongoing matters is wrong as often as it is right, no matter what the scale.
 

onesiedale

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Yet another typical attempt at character assassination as is increasingly found through many walks of scientific life today. It’s prevalence is rather sickening and doesn’t bode well for a future based on rationality and fact. Koonin’s biography and qualifications are impeccable and he does not deny for one minute that there is human influence in aspects of the climate. What he questions are the hysterical conclusions drawn from a rather dodgy science of randomness and the way it is presented to a largely gullible public who do not and would not know how to question it.

This is one of the reviews that sums the book up rather well and far more rationally than the bottom 5% of reviews which are mostly what one would expect of the blinkered 'true believers’...



Do read it. If the man displays some arrogant writing style, that is no different to a great many other academics and scientists in more than just climate forecasting.
nothing to do with the fact that he was chief scientist for BP and the Under Secretary for the US department of energy then. 🤔
Absolutely no bias there 🤣
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Yet another typical attempt at character assassination as is increasingly found through many walks of scientific life today. It’s prevalence is rather sickening and doesn’t bode well for a future based on rationality and fact. Koonin’s biography and qualifications are impeccable and he does not deny for one minute that there is human influence in aspects of the climate. What he questions are the hysterical conclusions drawn from a rather dodgy science of randomness and the way it is presented to a largely gullible public who do not and would not know how to question it.

This is one of the reviews that sums the book up rather well and far more rationally than the bottom 5% of reviews which are mostly what one would expect of the blinkered 'true believers’...



Do read it. If the man displays some arrogant writing style, that is no different to a great many other academics and scientists in more than just climate forecasting.
I will certainly read the book. I am trying to challenge my own biases these days.

Sadly much current science is entirely driven along by carefully cherry picked studies though. The whole basis for our current dietary advice to cut meat and saturated fat was so (Ancel Keys from the 60's/70's).
 

Cowabunga

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nothing to do with the fact that he was chief scientist for BP and the Under Secretary for the US department of energy then. 🤔
Absolutely no bias there 🤣
Why should there be. He works for neither any longer and could rat on them big time if he had something to rat about. He’d sell a hell of a lot more books that way and be far less of a target for the fanatics.
As I said, your post well illustrates the way character assassination works for those that raise their heads above the parapet by questioning, not even denying, the current well financed orthodoxy.
 
I will certainly read the book. I am trying to challenge my own biases these days.

Sadly much current science is entirely driven along by carefully cherry picked studies though. The whole basis for our current dietary advice to cut meat and saturated fat was so (Ancel Keys from the 60's/70's).

I think there aren't that many scientists who don't believe that fossil fuels causing climate change any more regardless of the side of the debate you are on.

However there is a lot of disagreement on how to approach it all. Firstly the Greta Thunberg/ David Attenborough types are highly highly guilty of scaremongering without any scientific basis (eg 6th great extinction, children will die in the future etc). The IPCC don't even make high falutin predictions many of the fanatics do. Roger Hallam claimed he had to stop farming in Wales because of climate change - it just doesn't ring true (in fact I'd claim he was very crap at it and lazy and prefers peacocking about in London)

I'd much rather listen to the pragmatists who are not starting from an idealised position. Shellenbergers' book is very good, Bjorn Lomborg is another one.
 

Cowabunga

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it's just that looking around at the way fossil fuel burning has gone up in the last 20 years, somehow I think the financial lobbying on the oil industry's behalf far out weighs that of any other industry.
It was the Greens that forced Germany to close their nuclear plants to rely on fossil fuel, and likewise to abandon investment in new clean plant in the UK. Not forgetting the stopping of fracking in the UK. All of which is now coming home to roost with the price of energy shooting up at a rate never before experienced and likely to result in massive poverty and suffering worldwide.

Of course if you think you can have your pudding and eat it with no consequences, that sums up the green environmentalist mentality in a nutshell.
 

Swarfmonkey

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Hampshire
A good book to read is by Steven Koonin, available as hardback or Kindle, titled...
What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters.

Available from good bookstores and here at Amazon

Another one worth reading is Donna Laframboise's The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert. It's an in-depth investigation into the IPCC itself, showing that it is an organisation driven by politics and special-interest groups not by science.
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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