And using GWP100…..
New IPCC Climate Change Mitigation Report coming monday...
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I resent having to buy it, then collect it up and pay for it to be taken away, then have to pick up scraps from round the farmyard and where it has blown into hedges. The less I have of the stuff the better. Save it for insulating wires, or other decent long term use.
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Yep but if "experts" are given a platform to spout this rubbish, some mud sticks
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The atmosphere, and the climate, IS changing.
The science is FAR from certain though.
All models are wrong, some are useful. (Economic models are often VERY wrong it seems).
The science is FAR from certain though.
All models are wrong, some are useful. (Economic models are often VERY wrong it seems).
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The problem is, most predictors are a moving target.
It’s interesting reading this thread, and the logic applied to climate change, some argue historic data means it’s nothing we haven’t seen before, to which I will say your right and the last time in the Roman age it lead to mass migration and mass starvation, as harvests were disrupted from increasing weather extremes which we are starting to see happen more frequently. Let’s learn from history and try to avoid repeating it.
is it purely cyclic and nothing to do with us, that’s unlikley at the extreme, but natural forces can be adding to what’s happening and that trigger points can happen, natural ones, that can make climate change faster and harder to stop.
Logic says burning fossil fuels that had locked carbon up millions of years ago, that release green house gasses of all types is a given for having an effect, but rising temps is not the problem, so its getting a bit warmer, it is not really the problem, it’s those increased extremes, that longer hotter dryer summer, or that freak weather pattern shift that happens just that little bit more often, mix in the fact food production is far more wide spread than in Roman times and that if it’s disrupted even a little it can cause shortages, this is the problem and it can happen at any time but the further down the road we go to a temp rise the more unstable our weather patterns can get, large forces run the weather patterns including high temps, cold temps, water circulations, warm to cold in our oceans.
We even drive weather directly our cities can cause temp spikes, if you have ever heard the weather man say wide spread frosts in rural areas, you have heard the effect cities can have.
we as farmers live and die by the weather so it’s simple to see if we had a hotter than normal weather spell at the wrong time how we have harvest effected and the reverse is true a cloudy and wetter than normal run up to harvest can disrupt harvests, or colder than normal etc etc it’s just weather, but what drives that weather is climate, so while climate change is data and predictions and it’s just averages and statistics we as farmers have seen the effects at both ends of the extremes, we can see it in news of disrupted harvest in different countries around the world, and that’s all you need to see, to see the problems that can happen and may well happen, and more often.
I personally think it’s plain to see what climate change is doing, and it’s plain to see how it’s effects will disrupt things, and it’s with food that it will be felt, now if we can be smart we will cut our consumption of fossil fuels as fast as we can to stop adding to the problem, we will see it can be done, but not as fast as it needs to be done, will that be a problem the jury is out on that, but for me as populations of the planet keep growing and food production disruptions keep happening some weather related some war related things are going to get more tricky, and as in Roman times, mass migration is a factor, and if the first world tries to control that migration if food shortages are the driving factor we will have problems. Wars have been had over less.
our society is a house of cards, all sat on food and water, if either or both take a beating due to global climate change which man continues too add to that risk, then we are part of the problem and solution and if we knock out our support the whole lots goes with it.
the worlds growing population is also adding to the risk factor we will face as time passes.
Making that food and water base, look ever more unstable. Especially when you read about fish stocks around the world, and that better management is needed, there is plenty of food for fish and if we let them they can recover so it’s our own stupidity at play if we deplete fish stocks, again Weakening our own food supply chain.
While this man is talking about the farming industry, he may as well be talking about foods power to disrupt our society and that without that one basic, all the rest disappears. If raising global temps by 2 degrees put food at greater risk, then we risk ending our way of life, it’s as simple as that. The stakes are not small, it’s all or nothing. . .
do you really want to gamble our children's futures away. . . By ignoring possible outcomes.
is it purely cyclic and nothing to do with us, that’s unlikley at the extreme, but natural forces can be adding to what’s happening and that trigger points can happen, natural ones, that can make climate change faster and harder to stop.
Logic says burning fossil fuels that had locked carbon up millions of years ago, that release green house gasses of all types is a given for having an effect, but rising temps is not the problem, so its getting a bit warmer, it is not really the problem, it’s those increased extremes, that longer hotter dryer summer, or that freak weather pattern shift that happens just that little bit more often, mix in the fact food production is far more wide spread than in Roman times and that if it’s disrupted even a little it can cause shortages, this is the problem and it can happen at any time but the further down the road we go to a temp rise the more unstable our weather patterns can get, large forces run the weather patterns including high temps, cold temps, water circulations, warm to cold in our oceans.
We even drive weather directly our cities can cause temp spikes, if you have ever heard the weather man say wide spread frosts in rural areas, you have heard the effect cities can have.
we as farmers live and die by the weather so it’s simple to see if we had a hotter than normal weather spell at the wrong time how we have harvest effected and the reverse is true a cloudy and wetter than normal run up to harvest can disrupt harvests, or colder than normal etc etc it’s just weather, but what drives that weather is climate, so while climate change is data and predictions and it’s just averages and statistics we as farmers have seen the effects at both ends of the extremes, we can see it in news of disrupted harvest in different countries around the world, and that’s all you need to see, to see the problems that can happen and may well happen, and more often.
I personally think it’s plain to see what climate change is doing, and it’s plain to see how it’s effects will disrupt things, and it’s with food that it will be felt, now if we can be smart we will cut our consumption of fossil fuels as fast as we can to stop adding to the problem, we will see it can be done, but not as fast as it needs to be done, will that be a problem the jury is out on that, but for me as populations of the planet keep growing and food production disruptions keep happening some weather related some war related things are going to get more tricky, and as in Roman times, mass migration is a factor, and if the first world tries to control that migration if food shortages are the driving factor we will have problems. Wars have been had over less.
our society is a house of cards, all sat on food and water, if either or both take a beating due to global climate change which man continues too add to that risk, then we are part of the problem and solution and if we knock out our support the whole lots goes with it.
the worlds growing population is also adding to the risk factor we will face as time passes.
Making that food and water base, look ever more unstable. Especially when you read about fish stocks around the world, and that better management is needed, there is plenty of food for fish and if we let them they can recover so it’s our own stupidity at play if we deplete fish stocks, again Weakening our own food supply chain.
While this man is talking about the farming industry, he may as well be talking about foods power to disrupt our society and that without that one basic, all the rest disappears. If raising global temps by 2 degrees put food at greater risk, then we risk ending our way of life, it’s as simple as that. The stakes are not small, it’s all or nothing. . .
do you really want to gamble our children's futures away. . . By ignoring possible outcomes.
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Why tree planting touted as a panacea for global warming is in fact the opposite
Trees, don't you just love them?It is time that everybody calmed down. Anyone who engages with the media, or listens to politicians and lobbyists, and whose brain has not been so profoundly damaged by the experience, will be alarmed about trees.Of course, we like trees. It would be hard to find...
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That is a great article. I’m absolutely astonished though because you normally post garbage from that comedy outfit RethinkX. Fair play for this one thoughWhy tree planting touted as a panacea for global warming is in fact the opposite
Trees, don't you just love them?It is time that everybody calmed down. Anyone who engages with the media, or listens to politicians and lobbyists, and whose brain has not been so profoundly damaged by the experience, will be alarmed about trees.Of course, we like trees. It would be hard to find...
Y Fan Wen
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That is a great article. I’m absolutely astonished though because you normally post garbage from that comedy outfit RethinkX. Fair play for this one though
Researchers agree: The world can reach a 100% renewable energy system by or before 2050
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Y Fan Wen
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That is a great article. I’m absolutely astonished though because you normally post garbage from that comedy outfit RethinkX. Fair play for this one though
An agricultural revolution is coming – and it’s going to save the planet
BY MADSEN PIRIEAlthough environmental alarmists say governments "have done nothing," the reality is that many of them have already taken the steps that will reduce man-made global warming. Coal a
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To one of my age, FMC means the s/house co-op!
wanton dwarf
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It's pretty simple.
IF the nonesense you are peddling is true.
Then it's very easy for people to warm themselves this winter. Just have a cube of pure CO2 in the garden. According to the science you are peddling it will heat up to many 1,000s of degrees celcius. You'd even be able to run a steam generator off it.
No need for Nuclear power either. Just have a cube of Methane or Water Vapour - that'll get upt to 100,000 degrees celcius.
Meanwhile back in reality, Cities are hotter than their surroundings by at least 3 degrees. And it has NOTHING to do with Climate Gases no matter how much propaganda you throw at it.
wanton dwarf
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Let's take this even further.
If 100ppm raises Global temperatures by 2 degrees - 100ppm is 1/10000th of the atmopshere - By adding that very small amount of CO2 to the local atmosphere for an Air Source heat pump would dramitically increase it's efficiency - especially during winter. For Methane and Water vapour the effect is obviously 100x times greater - because your Climate Science says so.
Of course it's not done because Climate Science is utter BS.
Sorry to break your logic, c02 only retains the energy of the sun not create it, so on a non sunny cold day the c02 levels make next to negligible difference in your back garden sure the CO2 at that concentration if it’s above the clouds will retain a greater amount of the suns energy but as that’s thousands of meters up it will not help with keeping you warm. At ground level.
you seem to fail to understand even the basics of the science.
Again co2 only acts to retain the suns energy the concentration in the air has no effect on a heat pumps efficiency.
you seem to be grasping at straws. Most people can see the changes happening.
Air source heat pumps efficiency are effected by air temp and emission temp, when air is very cold then. It’s harder to make it colder, which what a heat pump tries to do, emission temp effects there efficiency because they operate best at low water temps so, if you have small radiators requiring high water temps to deliver the required amount of heat energy to keep you warm, they are less efficient than if you have a very large underfloor system with a small. Pipe spacing that delivers the heat needed at temps just above room temps.
wanton dwarf
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wanton dwarf
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The theory about CO2, CH4 and H2O works on Infrared radition.
You'll find it's emitted by every single atom in the Universe.
You can even measure what temperature anything is using one of these handy infrared digital thermometer. You'll also find that most infrared radiation on the Earth is not coming from the Sun - it's a result of atoms on the Earth getting hotter from the energy of the Sun - which is from mutliple wave lengths, not just infrared.
