New lexion price !

Speedstar

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Scottish Borders
If wheat had kept up with inflation. It would be closer £500/t in which case the combine would look cheap yes

A lexion 8900 is probably a LOT more complex than a house !

I would say the house is too expensive !
I have a mate in Canada that custom cuts & he went from 6 John deere combines to 2 claas 780 & they cut 9000 acres each a year , but after 3 years they are worn out
 

Rowland

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£830k. Bloody hell @Rowland , you will believe in Santa next! A forage harvester at most is £300k. I suggest your friend should have bought you another pint rather than complain at bad service

What do you mean “ Believe in Santa” he’s real along with the tooth fairy.
I’m not talking about the small ones in this country.
Ones that are just shy of 1000hp cost a tad more than 300k
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
What do you mean “ Believe in Santa” he’s real along with the tooth fairy.
I’m not talking about the small ones in this country.
Ones that are just shy of 1000hp cost a tad more than 300k
3 harvesters, 3 sets of all 3 headers, 3 big rakes, 3 big tedders, 3-5 triple mowers, a few loading shovels plus the fleet of tractors and trailers to keep them going would be close to £2.5m?
 

traadilooar

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Location
Isle of Man
So you think half a million pounds for a machine that works for 2 weeks a year is reasonable? Even if wheat was £200/T it’s still a joke....you could buy a decent house for that

Maybe grain production should be left to USA etc where custom cutters run machines for many months in the year, these prices make sense at those acres.
uk may go back to old doggers and a bag of spanner’s
 
The sale price is only part of the equation as we all know, its the cost per clock hour or hectare or tonne cranked out that matters along with the resale value at the end. I understand in some countries they buy these things run the conkers off en for a year and then pay so much a clock hour to get a brand spanker next year. Im sure a US contributor will be along and tell us how much the flagship JD is in dollars.
 

fergie35

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Location
Oxfordshire
If it cuts the acres it's not that bad though, if it's worth £200k after 3 years and it's cut 12000 acres in that time it's £25 per acre (obviously plus fuel, labor etc...) but in these parts it would still work out cheaper than a contractor and you can do it when you want.
 

tw15

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Location
DORSET
For that sort of money I would still have a shed full of older case axialflows with 30ft headers 3 of them will pee all over the biggest class and would still have 200 k in the bank for a house .
Its horses for course's but not many uk farms could justify one .
Dam I nearly forgot class combines make extra grain as they cut just like Fendts make diesel .
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
If wheat had kept up with inflation. It would be closer £500/t in which case the combine would look cheap yes

A lexion 8900 is probably a LOT more complex than a house !

I would say the house is too expensive !

You’re spot on with the house bit.

Heard on the news the other day about the rising number of homeless....it’s no wonder given the price of houses/rent today.

All because the economy couldn’t afford to have a reality check due to the amount of debt in the system.
 

icanshootwell

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Location
Ross-on-wye
Actually it’s grain prices that are the joke !

These machines would look cheap if our output had kept up with inflation
Come on Clive, if wheat was 300 ton that lexion would be 750, same old story when wheat went to 180 a few years ago, fert spays all shot up. Sorry to say it but your gross margin and mine will never improve. You only have to look back over the last 20 odd years.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Come on Clive, if wheat was 300 ton that lexion would be 750, same old story when wheat went to 180 a few years ago, fert spays all shot up. Sorry to say it but your gross margin and mine will never improve. You only have to look back over the last 20 odd years.

Looking back over the last 10 yrs my gross margins improve a lot, nett margins even more so

This despite being a user of new combines, tractors and drills etc over that period

Grain is too cheap - not machinery too expensive - I think a similar thread a while ago proved that inflation adjusted its actually cheaper than ever

Problem is grain hasn’t followed inflation - that’s not machinery manufacturers problem though is it
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Its interesting how all agricultural produce is now cheaper than ever, so food for the masses can be kept cheap. This enables them to buy the latest iPhone each year, Sky tv, new car on PCP, a new/bigger house etc.

Thus in turn demand for these “new” essentials keep rising, as do their prices. Which drives further inflation and requirement for wage growth.

The result of which, primary producers are faced with rising costs of products, yet a sale price driven ever lower.

The most bizarre bit is that more people would get upset if Netflix was turned off for a month, than if the price of food in the shops went up by 5/10%. It does make you wonder......



Maybe there is another angle to it also....if food products were subject to VAT, would the government be more interested in maintaining their price level? When the petrol price rises by 10ppl (whether due to oil price, or government duty increase) the government gains an extra 2ppl in VAT regardless.
 
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