New livestock EID measures announced by Michael Gove

[JP1]

Spoken like a true politician!

We know what this drive for eid, medicine control integrated throughout the chain and movement control is all about JP, don’t fool yourself and more importantly don’t try and trick others into a false sense of security.

You should know better.

I'm no politician. I suppose I recognise I need to do my little bit so I can continue without vet administration / registration of meds. It's not that difficult. I accept it doesn't stop horses going in to the food chain but let's not deceive ourselves that Frank and I were only commenting on what you should be doing anyway - I don't make the weather or the rules. Now if you'd like to buck the trend, carry on

 

[Kiwi Pete]

No doubt this sort of stuff is good as a tool. It just depends if your government and representative/supermarket organisations are going to use it as a stick to beat you with. Hard.

Yeah that is really the point IMO, why force it in when it will happen with more acceptance if it is simply voluntary?
I can think of dozens of things that "will never catch on" that caught on without being forced - wiping our bums with paper being one.
Nart wrong with leaves for that.

However, I still maintain that if EID tag costs is the farmer's biggest problem on the horizon then they are very f#cking lucky.

At the end of the day there is little need to buy a reader, that is just the part that makes it work for the farmer, it's the tag that makes it easier for the rest of the chain to track stock.

(No dairy farmer I know has one unless an integral part of a drafting system, nor is in need of one for testing because everyone from the vet to the stock agents, tb testers, LIC people all have them anyway... and for beef, again it makes little more sense to own a reader than own a pregnancy scanner or a semen flask - almost anything can be justified, and anything can be a waste by the same strike, it depends if you want to use it or not.

 

[milkloss]

I'm no politician. I suppose I recognise I need to do my little bit so I can continue without vet administration / registration of meds. It's not that difficult. I accept it doesn't stop horses going in to the food chain but let's not deceive ourselves that Frank and I were only commenting on what you should be doing anyway - I don't make the weather or the rules. Now if you'd like to buck the trend, carry on

Oh yes: the trend. Gotta roll with it, might get left behind

All in jest JP

 

[Henarar]

hose who wish to continue to live in the dark ages

 

[Hilly]

Must be a fair bit of money in the tagg industry, noticed the last time i was at beef expo plenty folk making a living off tag's these days , then you have to watch them farmers that promote these things fingers in pies. Jobs for the boys yet the good ole boy went along wi it.

 

[Henarar]

At the end of the day there is little need to buy a reader, that is just the part that makes it work for the farmer, it's the tag that makes it easier for the rest of the chain to track stock.

The rest of the chain don't track the stock that's just the Fing problem

 

[Hilly]

The rest of the chain don't track the stock that's just the Fing problem

They want nothing to do with any of it as theey would have to spend money and dent profits, sensible they are ! they resist overheads not like farmers who embrace overheads.

 

[Henarar]

I'm no politician. I suppose I recognise I need to do my little bit so I can continue without vet administration / registration of meds. It's not that difficult. I accept it doesn't stop horses going in to the food chain but let's not deceive ourselves that Frank and I were only commenting on what you should be doing anyway - I don't make the weather or the rules. Now if you'd like to buck the trend, carry on

we all know we have to keep a med book JP and some of us keep a lot of other records to but with only relatively a few cattle we don't spend money doing it
ok for the big buggers on here to talk about dark ages a grand or so for this sort of thing plus the extra cost of the tags may be nothing for them well if bloody well is something for us
like every fecking thing set up for the big boys fecking convenience

 

[Henarar]

we all know we have to keep a med book JP and some of us keep a lot of other records to but with only relatively a few cattle we don't spend money doing it
ok for the big buggers on here to talk about dark ages a grand or so for this sort of thing plus the extra cost of the tags may be nothing for them well if bloody well is something for us
like every fecking thing set up for the big boys fecking convenience

and that's why the NFU support it just like RT

 

[Hilly]

we all know we have to keep a med book JP and some of us keep a lot of other records to but with only relatively a few cattle we don't spend money doing it
ok for the big buggers on here to talk about dark ages a grand or so for this sort of thing plus the extra cost of the tags may be nothing for them well if bloody well is something for us
like every fecking thing set up for the big boys fecking convenience

Aye yer going for it today old chap !

 

[milkloss]

Aye yer going for it today old chap !

Don’t hold him back! Doing a good job so far.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Tracking it through the chain is childs play
if they chose to do it and have RFID when they hit the chain, simply write the info onto a chip on each skid like they do here

Bit more difficult if they are going to hang a bit of paper on each quarter that goes into a chiller hence why it is likely not achieved at the moment.

I don't think paper passports are dark age stuff at all but "it" usually ends up coming down to what the consumer wants, if "it" is improved traceability then the supply chain will have to get pretty inventive if you stick with paper as the only tool in the box

Maybe they could just have exemptions like they do here, if a beast is too stroppy or dangerous to tag then you just get the price of a tag deducted and send him off anyway?

 

[Henarar]

Aye yer going for it today old chap !

Well gets on yer wick then you get told that yer in the dark ages just because you use a tried and trusted method
A I have said before there is nart to stop them spending their money on this sort of thing if they want go right ahead see if I care

 

[Henarar]

Tracking it through the chain is childs play
if they chose to do it and have RFID when they hit the chain, simply write the info onto a chip on each skid like they do here

Bit more difficult if they are going to hang a bit of paper on each quarter that goes into a chiller hence why it is likely not achieved at the moment.

I don't think paper passports are dark age stuff at all but "it" usually ends up coming down to what the consumer wants, if "it" is improved traceability then the supply chain will have to get pretty inventive if you stick with paper as the only tool in the box

Maybe they could just have exemptions like they do here, if a beast is too stroppy or dangerous to tag then you just get the price of a tag deducted and send him off anyway?

No you would get nothing

 

[JP1]

we all know we have to keep a med book JP and some of us keep a lot of other records to but with only relatively a few cattle we don't spend money doing it
ok for the big buggers on here to talk about dark ages a grand or so for this sort of thing plus the extra cost of the tags may be nothing for them well if bloody well is something for us
like every fecking thing set up for the big boys fecking convenience

I'm in the same boat as you ref cow numbers. I'm not planning on buying a reader. GUTH made a post that Frank commented on. The suggestion was that this was something new per animal but we've always had to record treatments . The next clarification was the fact that you enter the food chain permitted date not the withdrawal period on the med log. It's not that onerous. I'm glad I don't make cars or anything technical

 

[Kiwi Pete]

No you would get nothing

By mutual agreement?

 

[milkloss]

Maybe they could just have exemptions like they do here, if a beast is too stroppy or dangerous to tag then you just get the price of a tag deducted and send him off anyway?

Won’t happen in this country! Best we get is with sheep where you can tie a tag round it’s neck. This is only because it’s had its ears chewed off by a dog and there’s nowhere to put a tag!

 

[milkloss]

I'm in the same boat as you ref cow numbers. I'm not planning on buying a reader.

Well you might have to. If you need to replace an eid tag how are you going to reference the new chip to the animals number? Chips aren’t programmed with an animals individual id, they are just a serial number that gets referenced to the individual id. Tag printers have blank tags with the serial already in them then print the individual id on the outside. I posted about this in one of the eid threads.

This is the kind of thing politicians don’t care or think about. It’s new, it’s technology so what could go wrong? Lots.

 

[JP1]

Well you might have to. If you need to replace an eid tag how are you going to reference the new chip to the animals number? Chips aren’t programmed with an animals individual id, they are just a serial number that gets referenced to the individual id. Tag printers have blank tags with the serial already in them then print the individual id on the outside. I posted about this in one of the eid threads.

This is the kind of thing politicians don’t care or think about. It’s new, it’s technology so what could go wrong? Lots.

I've got one bullock that still misses the gate in to the trough for his fodder beet every morning , so not much chance of him remembering a long number

 

[JD-Kid]

Tracking it through the chain is childs play
if they chose to do it and have RFID when they hit the chain, simply write the info onto a chip on each skid like they do here

Bit more difficult if they are going to hang a bit of paper on each quarter that goes into a chiller hence why it is likely not achieved at the moment.

I don't think paper passports are dark age stuff at all but "it" usually ends up coming down to what the consumer wants, if "it" is improved traceability then the supply chain will have to get pretty inventive if you stick with paper as the only tool in the box

Maybe they could just have exemptions like they do here, if a beast is too stroppy or dangerous to tag then you just get the price of a tag deducted and send him off anyway?

think it's 50 odd bucks a head with no tag might be wrong but i think thats what i heard