New Mccormick Tractors

daveydiesel1

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Livestock Farmer
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Co antrim
Yes she lift it with no problem ,real strong hydraulics, only thing on the road because of the length of the plough if you hit a pothole she can bounce :) i also pull/lift a 2.7meter Quivogne Pluton (same as Sumo) and that is heavy
Is that plough the medium duty plough? Iv a 4 furrow medium duty nh plough with discs,skimmers and combi wheel and my 5465 struggles with it
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Like the mainstream brands they also have a good product offering, there have been gaps but they're being filled. Unlike the big boys which can partially trade off of their name and appeal Mccormick aren't in that position (yet).
What you really mean is that they lost that position over the last fifteen years or so and are struggling to regain it. I've no doubt that they are a worthy product but there are far fewer dealers than there used to be and those left have, until recently at least, struggled to get adequate back-up from the importer, allegedly.

Hopefully they will get their act together because, as you say, strong competition in the marketplace is a good thing and McCormick do have some good dealers that deserve a higher market share, especially as the product is better than its ever been.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
I think McCormick, like Farmall, was a brand name of International Harvester. It was not seen as a name on UK tractors since the 60s (IIRR). IH was bought/merged into the Case Corporation in the 1980s. Case IH was bought in 99 by the Fiat Corporation and merged into the New Holland group. At that point, due to monopoly issues the group had to unload some factories and production over the World. This included the Doncaster plant, which had originally been IH. The brand name Mccormick was sold with the factory and some existing Case models to the Italian Argo group that also owned Landini.
In the mid 00s the the Doncaster plant was closed and new Mccormick tractors became Italian in origin.
From what I gather, the only IH Mccormick heritage today is the brand name.
It was a combination of International Harvester and Standard Oil among others that instigated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to limit the power of monopolies in the US during the early part of the 20thC. While it did not break IH up, I think it did put a damper on it buying up many more of its competitors, both upcoming and established.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
If mccorrmick kept the same price list for the next couple of years they could become alot more attractive
The problem for McCormick margins and prices on its larger models in particular is that it buys in engines and transaxles from companies that also supply and, in the case of engines, manufacture, rival products in the same class. Therefore their ability to undercut the price of rivals that also use, for instance, the ZF transaxle, is very limited indeed. Thinking that they could get near to undercutting their similar rivals with a similar specification by 40% is in the realms of being in Cloud-Cuckoo-land.
 

essexpete

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Location
Essex
The problem for McCormick margins and prices on its larger models in particular is that it buys in engines and transaxles from companies that also supply and, in the case of engines, manufacture, rival products in the same class. Therefore their ability to undercut the price of rivals that also use, for instance, the ZF transaxle, is very limited indeed. Thinking that they could get near to undercutting their similar rivals with a similar specification by 40% is in the realms of being in Cloud-Cuckoo-land.
I think that hits the nail. The only possible advantage to the end user and depreciation apart, would be the proximity to a very good reliable dealer/agent.
 

GOODYSMATE

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Location
suffolk
Is that plough the medium duty plough? Iv a 4 furrow medium duty nh plough with discs,skimmers and combi wheel and my 5465 struggles with it
I would say its the medium duty as in the book there is 3 headstocks ,a 120 a 150 and a 180 ,mine is the 150 and can be used on tractors up to 220hp ,my McCormick is 163hp . i was told the backend of my 155 is the same as the MTX200
 

Mccormick 94

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Trade
What you really mean is that they lost that position over the last fifteen years or so and are struggling to regain it. I've no doubt that they are a worthy product but there are far fewer dealers than there used to be and those left have, until recently at least, struggled to get adequate back-up from the importer, allegedly.

Hopefully they will get their act together because, as you say, strong competition in the marketplace is a good thing and McCormick do have some good dealers that deserve a higher market share, especially as the product is better than its ever been.
Yes I think ground was lost as they transitioned from a manufacturer producing at the lower end of the market to one using top quality components and investing heavily in R & D. Also the use of some cheap components to try and gain an edge over Case in the early days has left the perception that it should be a cheap brand.

Lots more dealers have joined and continue to join the network over the last couple of years which is positive.

Speaking to Mccormick UK this week sales are definitely on the top, helped by the continued improvement in the product. And if you think the current offering is good just wait until you see the new products landing in 2022 👍
 

Mccormick 94

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Trade
The problem for McCormick margins and prices on its larger models in particular is that it buys in engines and transaxles from companies that also supply and, in the case of engines, manufacture, rival products in the same class. Therefore their ability to undercut the price of rivals that also use, for instance, the ZF transaxle, is very limited indeed. Thinking that they could get near to undercutting their similar rivals with a similar specification by 40% is in the realms of being in Cloud-Cuckoo-land.
Yes and other manufacturers have much larger buying power. It's very chicken and egg. Need to sell more units to increase buying power but could do with lower prices to help improve market share. Its a slow game but we're making progress 👍. At the end of the day Mccormick as we know it is only about 20 years old. The other players have been around for decades except perhaps Kubota & Claas (in the tractor market). Would be concerning for their sakes if we'd already overtaken them!
 

Mccormick 94

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Trade
Ok, so for my next 130hp loader tractor, what makes a McCormick better than Claas, Kubota ,Deutz?

What would sway me from a Case?
Rather than me give you reasons or run down the competition why don't you get in touch with your local dealer and book yourself a demo?

Yes they have a great product, good warranty options and excellent finance packages, but nothing I say will convince you without you trying one and that's absolutely fine.

As Mccormick's marketing team like to say,

Try it, We Dare You!
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I thought it was sad when the factory at Doncaster was closed.
What if Mc used a Cummins engine? That would be worth a look.
The Doncaster factory made the smaller four cylinder tractors which still used the 1970's chassis and back axles. Everything totally outdated years before it closed. Even the French built Maxxum tractors and transmissions, which were a late 1980's design, initially meant to replace the bigger David Browns in the Case lineup with transmissions manufactured at StDizier were becoming obsolete by the end. The StDizier plant was sold to a Korean company who continued to make the powershift transmissions for some years before closing it down.
What if Mc used a Cummins? It would be almost identical to the current line-up because the Iveco/FPT NEF engines were co-developed with Cummins but Cummins pulled out to make their own version which is slightly different, for and in N America. The Iveco engine doesn't have far to travel within Italy between the Iveco factory and ARGO. It has a lot further to travel North to New Holland at Basildon, between London and Southend.
 

Cowcorn

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Mixed Farmer
Rather than me give you reasons or run down the competition why don't you get in touch with your local dealer and book yourself a demo?

Yes they have a great product, good warranty options and excellent finance packages, but nothing I say will convince you without you trying one and that's absolutely fine.

As Mccormick's marketing team like to say,

Try it, We Dare You!
I have to say that the new x7 tractors really look the business .
Whats the story on the black are the going like valmet and you can pick your own colour ??
Hopefully the new ranges will increase sales for mccormick and frighten the Deere !!!
All brands give trouble its how the respond and support the product that really matters .
Certain tractors say " hello " to me and the new mccormicks are defnitely in that category and hopefully will be in the running next time ,
 

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