New Mccormick Tractors

Yes I think ground was lost as they transitioned from a manufacturer producing at the lower end of the market to one using top quality components and investing heavily in R & D. Also the use of some cheap components to try and gain an edge over Case in the early days has left the perception that it should be a cheap brand.

Lots more dealers have joined and continue to join the network over the last couple of years which is positive.

Speaking to Mccormick UK this week sales are definitely on the top, helped by the continued improvement in the product. And if you think the current offering is good just wait until you see the new products landing in 2022 👍
Don't know where you get the idea that Argo "used some cheap components to gain and edge over Case"... from the formation in 2000 they built the same CX tractors as Case.. but Case were selling them at a loss to make sure McCormick got no foothold...You need to remember that the transmissions were built in the old plant at St. Dizier in France, so they were the same components.. The only issue there was the installation of robot welding for the clutch cans.. it was a far poorer job that the old manual welding and saw lots of premature failures. As I see it, the biggest problem was trying to bring too many new products to the market without proper testing. CX Xtrashift was the wet clutch version of the old CX...good product but too temperamental on clutch take up..a problem seen by lots of other makes too! XTX was a great tractor.. but the back ends were just not up to it.. especially the spider gears in the diff.. Interestingly we fitted a modified Case Magnum diff to one.. with rollers.. that tractor is still going strong 12 years later.. The final nail in the coffin was announcing the closure of Doncaster and St Dizier and the move to Fabbrico... it took about 15 months, so you can image the quality of the product coming out of those plants!!!!
 

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Don't know where you get the idea that Argo "used some cheap components to gain and edge over Case"... from the formation in 2000 they built the same CX tractors as Case.. but Case were selling them at a loss to make sure McCormick got no foothold...You need to remember that the transmissions were built in the old plant at St. Dizier in France, so they were the same components.. The only issue there was the installation of robot welding for the clutch cans.. it was a far poorer job that the old manual welding and saw lots of premature failures. As I see it, the biggest problem was trying to bring too many new products to the market without proper testing. CX Xtrashift was the wet clutch version of the old CX...good product but too temperamental on clutch take up..a problem seen by lots of other makes too! XTX was a great tractor.. but the back ends were just not up to it.. especially the spider gears in the diff.. Interestingly we fitted a modified Case Magnum diff to one.. with rollers.. that tractor is still going strong 12 years later.. The final nail in the coffin was announcing the closure of Doncaster and St Dizier and the move to Fabbrico... it took about 15 months, so you can image the quality of the product coming out of those plants!!!!
Thanks for your insight and knowledge 👍. As I said my knowledge really is more on the new X range produced in Fabbrico. Perhaps I misinterpreted cheaper parts for more cheaply produced parts. Fortunately Argo seem to have learnt from the lessons of the past as we see very few issues with transmissions on the Fabbrico machines.
 
Was meaning a case 150 and 190 maxum which had the same engine as mtx 200 , same backend , engine changed in mtx 155 ,165 and 185
What does a Case 150 and 190 Maxxum have to do with anything?..all use Cummins 5.9litre QSB...Case Maxxum does not have same back end as McCormick MTX 200.. engine in MTX 155 is a Perkins...engines in MTX 165 and MTX 185 is an EEA engine..agreement between Iveco/Cummins and Komatsu
 
What does a Case 150 and 190 Maxxum have to do with anything?..all use Cummins 5.9litre QSB...Case Maxxum does not have same back end as McCormick MTX 200.. engine in MTX 155 is a Perkins...engines in MTX 165 and MTX 185 is an EEA engine..agreement between Iveco/Cummins and Komatsu
that the mccormick have the same backend as the 150 and 190 case , a mtx 200 is basically a case 150 with a few more electrics indifferent paint job and not very reliable unlike a case
 
that the mccormick have the same backend as the 150 and 190 case , a mtx 200 is basically a case 150 with a few more electrics indifferent paint job and not very reliable unlike a case
So what you are talking about is MX series Case.. not Maxxum... they didn't build an MX 190 !!!!...basically a Case 150....yeah except for the Perkins engine..more plates in the clutch packs and larger diameter rear drive shafts, larger four wheel drive shaft..other than that the same!!!!..yeah right !!!
 

Hungry

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Very popular in their home market in Italy. Think America takes a bit to. Lead time pre covid tended to run around 3 months. Think that's now more like 5 / 6 months, component depending.
Hi there,

Actually looking at a McCormick pretty seriously at the moment in NZ. I currently run Claas, but the reliability in my biggest one (Arion 650) is driving me to drink!! Very open to a change in brand, got an excellent dealer locally who does my servicing, and they have taken on the McCormick dealership, which has prompted me to have a look.
Given you are year or two ahead of us in terms of using the X7 models, what are your thoughts on reliability, particularly as they get up to 6,7,8 thousand hours. Also any thoughts on resale value - given I run Claas, my expectations aren't high in this area!
 

daveydiesel1

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Hi there,

Actually looking at a McCormick pretty seriously at the moment in NZ. I currently run Claas, but the reliability in my biggest one (Arion 650) is driving me to drink!! Very open to a change in brand, got an excellent dealer locally who does my servicing, and they have taken on the McCormick dealership, which has prompted me to have a look.
Given you are year or two ahead of us in terms of using the X7 models, what are your thoughts on reliability, particularly as they get up to 6,7,8 thousand hours. Also any thoughts on resale value - given I run Claas, my expectations aren't high in this area!
Given they run zf transmission and fpt engine theres not much wrong with that. Resale at a guess would be similar to claas but the new price of mccormick should be cheaper than claas
 

Pebd99

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Given they run zf transmission and fpt engine theres not much wrong with that. Resale at a guess would be similar to claas but the new price of mccormick should be cheaper than claas
They’ve maybe changed to fpt but I’d check. Normally it’s iveco’s in the McCormick’s and their definitely built to a cheaper specification. Problem with McCormick now is their not far off the same price new as the premium makes but haven’t the resale value.
 
They’ve maybe changed to fpt but I’d check. Normally it’s iveco’s in the McCormick’s and their definitely built to a cheaper specification. Problem with McCormick now is their not far off the same price new as the premium makes but haven’t the resale value.
FPt in any model above 155hp local dealers just got McCormick so been reading the booklet
 

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