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  1. Fedup

    Fedup New Member

    Greetings to all from Clark County Kentucky, U.S. of A.
    I found and joined this forum today in search of some information and hopefully some help. I'm hoping to communicate with someone who might be able to help me understand some of the gearing differences between tractors produced for the North American market and those available in Europe. I'm thinking about Fords, 100 - 150 HP, probably 80's or 90's models, but certainly interested in facts about others as well.
    To make a long story shorter, I have a friend who insists he needs a 50KPH tractor of that size but there doesn't seem to be much available here unless you look at 190+ HP with a $100,000 and up price tag. Perhaps I'm wrong but I believe tractors have been available for some time on the European market with higher road speeds than those sold here. If someone can confirm or deny this I would most certainly appreciate it.

    Thanks to all who took the time to read this.
     
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  2. I can't be certain, but years ago a neighbour had a MB Trac something or other & he claimed that for the Euro market it could be specced at 40 or 50 km / h ?
    That was at least 20 yrs ago, so presumably other tractors of that vintage were also ?
     
  3. Deerefarmer

    Deerefarmer Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    You are correct, 40 and 50k transmissions were definitely available across the pond long before they were common here. If your friend is not colorblind there are plenty of options available, Case Ih maxxums ie 5100 and 5200 series are very easily and inexpensive to swap out two gears and convert them into a 40 or 50k.
    If you want a deere the 7000 series are also capable of 40 and 50, although they sold most of them here as 20mph versions plenty out there in 40k as well. A lot of 6000 and 7000 series are imported back into the states are 40 or 50k. I've converted several 7000s to 50k for farmers who didn't want to buy a new tractor just to get another gear, however with parts and labor this costs a bit. I don't know about fords from the 80s or 90s I'm sure others on here will know more on those.
    What will your friend be using this tractor for?

    Edit. You can find plenty of used imported fords ,case and deeres in the 100 to 150 hp range and 50k for a LOT less then $100,000 and plenty of life left in them too(y)
     
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  4. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    Masseys first had 40k available on the 3000series so late 80’s.
    50k was first available on the dyna 6 6400’s so about 2005/6
     
  5. Speedstar

    Speedstar Member

    Location:
    Scottish Borders
    1986 was the first 40kph that came from MF & JD
     
  6. essexpete

    essexpete Member

    Location:
    Essex
    What are your local state laws regarding agricultural speed limits on highways?
     
  7. Its mainly to do with the UK's obsession with using tractors for road haulage.

    You don't tend to see it in other countries.

    Indeed France is limited to 30kph and are quite strict about it.
     
  8. I have a late model MB Trac lying in the shed if you want it, think its a 160 or 1600 maybe........got the electric shift on the gear stick.
    Pretty fast on the road, would need to look but could be 45/50k.
    New tires all round, let me know if any interest......Colorado.
     
  9. seedman stains

    Location:
    lost in france
    Its 25 ( on single line systems)but not very strict around here probably no where in france unless you have an accident,I may have changed with the new mother regs and if you have air.
     
  10. Muck Spreader

    Muck Spreader Member

    Location:
    Limousin
    It's 40k isn't it? It's a bit more complex over that, with duel circuit required and abs over 60k.
     
  11. seedman stains

    Location:
    lost in france
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  12. Flat 10

    Flat 10 Member

    Location:
    Fen Edge
    Would be 50k....
    Collectible in Europe.....
     
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  13. s~~t shoveller

    Location:
    lincs
    How much is something like that worth in America,in sterling if you know!Very desirable thing to collectors over here...
     
  14. Welcome
     
  15. Fedup

    Fedup New Member

    Wow! Is this a fast moving forum or what?
    To expand a bit -- The farm is primarily a beef cattle operation, with livestock maintained in multiple locations. Some centrally located, but others five or ten miles apart. This tractor would be used (during winter months) to tow and power a mixer box to and from the various locations to fed stock on a daily basis. The rest of the year it's used in the farming portion raising and storing crops for feed.
    "Color" of the tractor is not THE factor, but certainly A factor. Main reason I'm looking toward Ford is because for the last ten years or so, my workload has primarily centered around Ford and New Holland since they are quite common in this area. As such I am more familiar with the inner workings and commonality of parts between models than I might be with other makes. I lean toward the older versions primarily because most anything sold new or within five or so years is so infested with electronics and built in time bombs that I just can't suggest it to anyone concerned with dependability over features and comfort. How people choose to spend their money is their business until they ask me to work on it.
    Now if Deere, an older Case, or whatever would make a better option, then so be it. All options are open at this point. Personally, I'm not a fan of Massey or New Holland, but that's just my opinion.
    The main reason I'm here asking questions is because as of yet I have not been involved with 50K tractors and have no idea how the various makes/models achieve the speed or what parts might need to be first sourced and then changed.
    Any and all information or opinion is appreciated. Thank you all for your thoughts.
     
  16. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    I remember a couple of JD’s around here, 3350’s IIRC but could have been 3650’s that were extremely fast on the road, did about 38mph but I’m sure were claimed to be 40k models, indeed, did they make 50k versions of these?
     
  17. Fendt 600 series from what I hear in the 80s could hit 28 miles an hour
     
  18. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    A Fendt dealer was telling me that they could tinker with the early 716’s to get some very high speeds down good long flat roads as in chasing the cars.
     
  19. Speedstar

    Speedstar Member

    Location:
    Scottish Borders
    no they would not be 50kph as that would come out with 6000 & 7000 ranges
     
  20. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    Yes, that’s what I thought.
    Not sure if they were just higher geared or had they been tinkered with.
    JD dealer had quite a reputation for tinkering with engine power but not sure there was much they could have done to tinker with gearboxes back then.
     
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