New No-till Horsch single disc drill

[SorenIlsoe]

The JD750 drill is well known and solild build.
This must be the reason that Horsch has copied it?
I don't see much difference - apart from the color and single side row-cleaner in front on one of the pictures (drawing).
Anyone that knows more about it, or must we wait until Agritechnica?
http://agriculture-de-conservation....onservation.com/IMG/pdf/machinisme-tcs-83.pdf

 

[SilliamWhale]

Its for farmers who are Horsch loyal but can't bring themselves to buy a green one.

I do wonder if is going to be good at downpressure as I don't see chunky springs ,might be wrong though. The row cleaner may work well but equally may block other coulters - its not that rowcleaners have not been tried on john deeres before, its just not enough clearance for them. The smooth closing wheel is the same design and they're not very good.

There aren't many new designs around really.

 

[Clive]

Saw some pics a while ago - red 750a basically

No surprise as I'm told horsch farms have used a 750a for years (quietly !)

Wonder how it will be priced ?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Saw some pics a while ago - red 750a basically

No surprise as I'm told horsch farms have used a 750a for years (quietly !)

Wonder how it will be priced ?

Will it follow ground contour well enough and keep down pressure with just that one pivot? Parallel links of any sort have always helped no till drills perform more accurately.

Dont know why they've made such a blatant copy

 

[Niels]

I don't know if there is an alternative British saying but over here we always say 'Better stolen well than poorly thought of'. Isn't the seeding technique taken from one of their American machines? The Horsch-Anderson drills.

 

[Clive]

Will it follow ground contour well enough and keep down pressure with just that one pivot? Parallel links of any sort have always helped no till drills perform more accurately.

Dont know why they've made such a blatant copy

because it works ? if it 'aint broke don't try fix it !!

price dependant it will sell very well IMO, JD need to pull there finger out if they don't want to loose a market

 

[warksfarmer]

because it works ? if it 'aint broke don't try fix it !!

price dependant it will sell very well IMO, JD need to pull there finger out if they don't want to loose a market

What pull their finger out marketing wise? As I cant see how they can make the 750 more attractive bar do a liquid kit like you've done?

 

[Clive]

What pull their finger out marketing wise? As I can see how they can make the 750 more attractive bar do a liquid kit like you've done?

yes marketing - there is nothing wrong with the product, its the best on the market right now still IMO, isn't expensive compared to others and has a undoubted track record, I would even say most don't really need the fert system

 

[Simon Chiles]

yes marketing - there is nothing wrong with the product, its the best on the market right now still IMO, isn't expensive compared to others and has a undoubted track record, I would even say most don't really need the fert system

Don't panic! They are extracting the digit on Thursday!!!

 

[ajd132]

Demo booked

 

[normandyfarmer]

They claim to be able to apply 200kg/disc, thanks to strong rubber blocks. No spring = no pivot point = better durability (and less expensive to build !)

The main problem on the 750A is the durability, the Horsch will be mounted with a bigger bearings and better quality material.

 

[York]

They claim to be able to apply 200kg/disc, thanks to strong rubber blocks. No spring = no pivot point = better durability (and less expensive to build !)

The main problem on the 750A is the durability, the Horsch will be mounted with a bigger bearings and better quality material.

let's see in 3 years time when we have some proof to the pudding.
MH has claimed over the years a lot.
I still remember when he was talking in the early '90's that bearings are the last things he wanted to have on his machinery. And we now see how the bearing on the Pronto are durable. At least when they are operated in Ukraine they show interesting things on the bearings on the Pronto.
Argument of more cost effective manufacturing:
I wonder if this advantage is passed to the farmer and not instead "eaten up" in the marketing department.
At least I can't see much input from Dwayne Beck or victor Jury which are both buddies from MH.
York-Th.

 

[SilliamWhale]

They claim to be able to apply 200kg/disc, thanks to strong rubber blocks. No spring = no pivot point = better durability (and less expensive to build !)

The main problem on the 750A is the durability, the Horsch will be mounted with a bigger bearings and better quality material.

It's a lot to ask of that rubber block. I might be wrong though but a triangular shape keeps strong down pressure.

I presume it will be on the market for about £9k per metre?

 

[normandyfarmer]

Some pictures from France :

 

[York]

thanks.
as I said, will be interesting to see this unit after it did 2000ha in true NT conditions.
Concept was ready some 5+years ago. Initiator at H. wanted it as a low cost & thrill unit for Russia.
York-Th.

 

[normandyfarmer]

This is not the final design of course ...
One machine has been running in France in hard conditions since last summer, they are learning fast thanks to some other machines in Denmark, Germany, etc.
Apparently their main objective with promoting no-till is to overcome the problem of ryegrass/blackgrass saying "you can do some tillage early in the season but don't put new seeds to germinate when you drill your wheat"

 

[SilliamWhale]

This is not the final design of course ...
One machine has been running in France in hard conditions since last summer, they are learning fast thanks to some other machines in Denmark, Germany, etc.
Apparently their main objective with promoting no-till is to overcome the problem of ryegrass/blackgrass saying "you can do some tillage early in the season but don't put new seeds to germinate when you drill your wheat"

That will help any down pressure problems.then!

 

[Hartwig]

Apparently their main objective with promoting no-till is to overcome the problem of ryegrass/blackgrass saying "you can do some tillage early in the season but don't put new seeds to germinate when you drill your wheat"

Is that really working that way ??
Have just tried to do so with drilling winterbarley in untouched but sprayed off rape-stubble. I did it slowly with my Moore for having low disturbance on this field with patches full of blackgrass - but it was not as low disturbend as I hoped for as the disc was flicking up soil patches standing upright and the seedboot was also pushing quite a lot of soil. So I decided to go over with the grassland-chainharrow to level that up and crumble what was already moved to have at least a fine crumbled surface for best use of the pre-em which is the only chance in winterbarley.
Was that the right decision ?? Maybe it would have been better to do a really shallow cultivation right after harvest, so the soil is smooth and wouldn`t flick up as it did ??
See closeup-picture of the seedslot beside already drilled and harrowed area on the last round on the headland :

 

[dontknowanything]

 

[Feldspar]

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Will there be a fertiliser option and who is the local dealer to ring up and get a demo? Can you get guttler style closing wheels?

ETA: answered my own question re dealers. Any particular person to speak to at the Fulbourn Doe's depot?