New rules on manures

[Sid]

Thread in cropping and dairy but here as a heads up for everyone

[Withdrawn] Spreading organic manure on agricultural land: RPS 252

www.gov.uk

 

[Yale]

Blah,blah,blah.

Sounds like NVZ in another guise.

The more complicated it is the less people will adhere,says it will be reviewed March 22…….really?

 

[Tarw Coch]

Blah,blah,blah.

Sounds like NVZ in another guise.

The more complicated it is the less people will adhere,says it will be reviewed March 22…….really?

The more complicated it is, the more likely folk won’t get things exactly right.
I see the EA are recruiting another 50 staff to check up on farms, make things complicated and it’ll keep them busy.

 

[Sid]

Doesnt it go like this ?

You must show that options 1 to 4 in the following hierarchy are not feasible before you follow option 5.

1. Store the organic manure at the place of production. no room full up
2. Store the organic manure at the place of use. cant access field
3. Send the organic manure to an off-site anaerobic digestion plant or other effluent treatment plant, including at a sewage treatment works. rang them, your looking for some manure?...oh you looking to offload some? told to f' off were full
4. Store the organic manure off-site. rang neighbour, do you want mine as well? Told to go forth and multiply
5. Spread the organic manure on land with a low risk of leaching and run-off. Spread the manure.

 

[Top Tip.]

It reads like civil service gobble di gook to me. You can basically interpret it any way you want or should I say they can interpret it to mean anything they want,

 

[steveR]

Doesnt it go like this ?

You must show that options 1 to 4 in the following hierarchy are not feasible before you follow option 5.

1. Store the organic manure at the place of production. no room full up
2. Store the organic manure at the place of use. cant access field
3. Send the organic manure to an off-site anaerobic digestion plant or other effluent treatment plant, including at a sewage treatment works. rang them, your looking for some manure?...oh you looking to offload some? told to f' off were full
4. Store the organic manure off-site. rang neighbour, do you want mine as well? Told to go forth and multiply
5. Spread the organic manure on land with a low risk of leaching and run-off. Spread the manure.

A quite masterful summation of the situation.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Doesnt it go like this ?

You must show that options 1 to 4 in the following hierarchy are not feasible before you follow option 5.

1. Store the organic manure at the place of production. no room full up
2. Store the organic manure at the place of use. cant access field
3. Send the organic manure to an off-site anaerobic digestion plant or other effluent treatment plant, including at a sewage treatment works. rang them, your looking for some manure?...oh you looking to offload some? told to f' off were full
4. Store the organic manure off-site. rang neighbour, do you want mine as well? Told to go forth and multiply
5. Spread the organic manure on land with a low risk of leaching and run-off. Spread the manure.

Maybe but you’ll probably be expected to keep documentary evidence of points 1-4 because I don’t suppose they’ll take your word for it.

 

[Sid]

Maybe but you’ll probably be expected to keep documentary evidence of points 1-4 because I don’t suppose they’ll take your word for it.

Isn't that the only real difference to the normal thought process that we go through ourselves.
Though being organic I certainly wouldn't want to export any nutrients off farm for free.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Farmers have always done that
Driving from Lampeter to Banbury over the weekend through our buitiful countryside got me thinking what a wonderful job farmers do looking after it , don't get half enough credit

 

[gatepost]

Have I read this right or do I need another coffee, I have to inform them when I am going to spread? or maybe not? I do like the bit ''we will withdraw this, unless we extend it.

 

[matthew]

Have I read this right or do I need another coffee, I have to inform them when I am going to spread? or maybe not? I do like the bit ''we will withdraw this, unless we extend it.

That would depend on how many 'inspectors' they are able to recruit?

 

[vantage]

Hope they’re going to stop the sewage dumping that’s continually going on Nationwide.
Edit: Will they stop the sewage dumping? Answer, no, just blame farmer. !

 

[robs1]

Got to laugh about sending it to a digester,what do they think will happen to what comes out.
Instead of applying the rotted horse much we collecting the autumn and dd in a crop I will just start growing maize, plaster it on there plough it up drag mud all round the place when we get a wet harvest job sorted, not.
Roll on retirement

 

[Pan mixer]

Someone hurry up and translate this into something we can work on or around.

Tried to have a look at the MANNER thing, can't get in, sadly it is next to Planate which all who try to use it practically are agreed is the worst programme ever invented.

 

[D14]

Everybody just needs to email the EA for the RPS to start with. I can't see how anything can progress forwards until we know what it entails properly.

 

[Pan mixer]

Anyone got a clue on how we ensure that 'no more than 5kg/ha of nitrate nitrogen leaches'

Is that;- this week?, this year? this decade?

 

[e3120]

Doesnt it go like this ?

You must show that options 1 to 4 in the following hierarchy are not feasible before you follow option 5.

1. Store the organic manure at the place of production. no room full up
2. Store the organic manure at the place of use. cant access field
3. Send the organic manure to an off-site anaerobic digestion plant or other effluent treatment plant, including at a sewage treatment works. rang them, your looking for some manure?...oh you looking to offload some? told to f' off were full
4. Store the organic manure off-site. rang neighbour, do you want mine as well? Told to go forth and multiply
5. Spread the organic manure on land with a low risk of leaching and run-off. Spread the manure.

But then you have to go:

Is it sandy soil No
Is it on a slope of >8 degrees Mostly no
Has the land been subsoiled/moled/drained in last 12 months No
Are there drains in field Yes, because it's the type of land where spring spreading is nonsense

So only spread if you can find strips more than 10m from the drains.

I reckon you be daft to apply for permission, as it will just make finding fault easier for the new ranks of inspectors.

 

[Pan mixer]

Everybody just needs to email the EA for the RPS to start with. I can't see how anything can progress forwards until we know what it entails properly.

I tried that, auto response that due to covid the reply may be longer than the 20 days minimum allowed for the EA

 

[Goweresque]

How steep is 8 degrees? I have no mental concept of what that would look like in practice.

 

[e3120]

How steep is 8 degrees? I have no mental concept of what that would look like in practice.

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