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Barry

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Is there nobody keen on gravity winter wheat. I've got 5 tonne on order.

The only data on Gravity so far is the candidate data on AHDB. On paper it certainly has the yield as it was the highest yielding variety coming out of National List trials last year. A lot of the trade are multiplying it so whilst you may not be seeing a lot of people talking about it here the belief is that it will make it on the list and possibly as the highest yielding variety on the list. There is only a very limited amount of C2 available this year via 4 major merchants. Disease is ok, not spectacular but looks fine.

Barry
 

DRC

Member
How's your Shabras looking?
Sorry my mistake. Not got any Shabras this year. Costello looks the best here. Annapolis good, but gone down in places. Graham looks awful as a first and second wheat. Didn't stand the drought , went very whitish looking , now going black. Siskin now looks better than I thought with big heads and bold sample. Diego looks well. Do I grow it again?
All this is with a proviso that we missed nearly all the June showers and all wheats are below expectations compared to last year.
 

DRC

Member
Shabras and gravity are coming in here to try, Costello and deigo will be the main players.
Really can't make my mind up about Diego.
A steady wheat, but being superseded by other varieties . We have the same Agronomist who says don't worry ascitll get its 4 spray programme, but isn't the idea to grow wheats with more disease resistance to try and grow them a bit cheaper, without loosing yield .
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
Really can't make my mind up about Diego.
A steady wheat, but being superseded by other varieties . We have the same Agronomist who says don't worry ascitll get its 4 spray programme, but isn't the idea to grow wheats with more disease resistance to try and grow them a bit cheaper, without loosing yield .

I'm growing Diego again , it's scruffy and a lighter colour than most varieties but is it disease ? did a trial unbeknown to the agro with 2 doses of ctl and epoxy, whereas the rest had all manner of snake oils , he never noticed and I defy anyone else to ....
 
Really can't make my mind up about Diego.
A steady wheat, but being superseded by other varieties . We have the same Agronomist who says don't worry ascitll get its 4 spray programme, but isn't the idea to grow wheats with more disease resistance to try and grow them a bit cheaper, without loosing yield .

Think our agronomist isn't too worried by Diego with his fungicide programs and timings we can cover most things, he really doesn't like reflection that's a firm no from him for next year.

Our Costello looks super, while not the highest yielder it's disease ratings take some beating, the grains I've hand rubbed out look huge fingers crossed it should do well!

Diego will stay in our continuous slot for another year, it's such a firm favourite I know it's scruffy but always looks good ahead of the combine.
 

Cordiale

Member
Really can't make my mind up about Diego.
A steady wheat, but being superseded by other varieties . We have the same Agronomist who says don't worry ascitll get its 4 spray programme, but isn't the idea to grow wheats with more disease resistance to try and grow them a bit cheaper, without loosing yield .
I have come to the conclusion that growing varieties with better disease resistance should be regarded as an insurance policy, it gives more time to react if conditions are conducive for disease development. Take yellow rust, varieties with 8 or 9 can be decimated if a new strain develops and end up being dropped to a 4 within the space of a season. So I think you should chose good agronomics, but still keep to robust fungicide programs, or you may find yourself chasing disease, with yield potential already compromised.
 

robbie

Member
BASIS
I'm sticking with Diego. I'm struggling to see what's better about all the others,yes some have a few % more yield and have better disease resistance but who has not added an sdhi at t2 because of it ? Probably No one because all we hear is how they Increase greening and even in low disease years they show yield increase so what's the point in resistance?

The trial I done I Diego was ctl+epoxy for t1 and t2 and it looks just as good as the rest which had sdhi, I think the trade talk these problems up to help sales of new seed of the latest wonder variety.
 

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
What are people's thoughts regards OWBM resistance in a variety. I like the idea as it's definitely one less worry but they all lack something. I have so say high bushel wheats always take my priority
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
What are people's thoughts regards OWBM resistance in a variety. I like the idea as it's definitely one less worry but they all lack something. I have so say high bushel wheats always take my priority

As ever it will be alright until we get a serious OWBM year. I recall the devastation in 2004 when Robigus stood out like a sore thumb. Like the old four minute warning you will get at most four weeks notice, and maybe not that now DOW no longer sponsor April soil sampling for larvae. The choice of a pyrethroid or thiocloprid insecticide - both probably useless! In a OWBM year the bushel weight will be knackered.
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
340/t barley, cassia, Orwell, Glacier, Tower. Surge discounted to £325 due to varietal contamination. All with SPD from Wynnstay.
dicounted due to varietal contamination ? how so there are only 2 grades of seed that can be sold as 2nd generation either hvs or l neither of which are allowed varietal contamination ,you may have a minor number of off types in the growing seed crop but not as to make a meaningful difference
 

beefandsleep

Member
Location
Staffordshire
Copied from the email I had.

The price of Surge winter barley has been reduced. This is the result of a reduction in the royalty rate made by Syngenta to acknowledge an issue with poor varietal purity in the seed stocks this year. The impurity is a taller variety that will be seen particularly when the crop first comes into ear. It is only present at around 0.007% of the crop, should not affect performance, and is still within certification standards. Please see note from Syngenta.

Unfortunately due to cross pollination in 2015 we have seen significant numbers of off-types in Surge seed production this year. Where possible we have rouged crops to get them to C2 HVS but in some instances seed will be certified at C2L, if this is the case you will be notified by your seed supplier. We apologies for this issue and can ensure you that everything has been done to clean the high grade stock that will be used for seed supply from next year.
If you have any questions or queries please contact Sam Brooke on 01223 883523
 

Barry

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Unless you do electrophoresis testing on off types I am not sure you can say whether they are another variety or the same variety but just look different.

Either way when assessing seed stocks for varietal purity anything that does not look like the variety it is supposed to be is considered an off type. In many cases it will probably have a lot if not all of the same or similar agronomic and quality issues. So will not affect performance just have a fair quantity of the off types.

Whilst even at lower standard the number of off-types may not have any significant impact on quality, I can assure you that if the seed trade regularly produced stocks with enough off types that the stocks only passed a Lower (EEC min) standards we would be inundated with phone calls. Because it would look very 'untidy'.

Stocks can be lower for a number of reasons including lodging - where if it is too significant and impacts on the inspectors ability to inspect the crop then it will be downgraded to Lower standard. So if offered Lower (EEC) standard do seek clarification as to what the problem is.
 

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