New Shutdown?

Johnnyboxer

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Location
Yorkshire
Sorry but I took the family on holiday camping in the UK and I really resent you calling me selfish.

What gives you the right to preach to others how to live their lives.
Fair enough, not preaching - just stating the facts about disease control

But like FAM, in 2001 the best policy was to reduce transmission by not travelling - potentially spreading the disease

That is precisely why we now have a rise in infections, people mixing locally, not wearing masks and not social distancing........... and also people travelling, from their home areas, to holiday in UK and abroad

Quite simple really - BREAK the TRANSMISSION = STOP the DISEASE

No Host = No Infection
 

twizzel

Member
It has the feeling of let's all have a wild party before the next lockdown. Even had fudgeing fireworks last night. I honestly think the nation's IQ somehow halved during the last lockdown.
I would just like my toothache sorted once and for all. 3 courses of antibiotics in 8 weeks and even after finishing the 3rd course yesterday the pain is still intense :banghead: I suspect it’ll have to come out but finally got an appointment this week to have it looked at, whether they will do anything is another story. What makes it more frustrating is I flagged the tooth to dentist just before lockdown to be told it was fine and if I wanted any work doing on it I’d have to pay private:banghead:
 

Raider112

Member
Fair enough, not preaching - just stating the facts about disease control

But like FAM, in 2001 the best policy was to reduce transmission by not travelling - potentially spreading the disease

That is precisely why we now have a rise in infections, people mixing locally, not wearing masks and not social distancing........... and also people travelling, from their home areas, to holiday in UK and abroad

Quite simple really - BREAK the TRANSMISSION = STOP the DISEASE

No Host = No Infection
The trouble is, the general public are just like this forum, some want to do all they can to stay safe and want everybody else to do the same so that things can get back to normal and some aren't prepared to give up their social life etc, and don't really care if they catch it. That minority will ensure that we carry on as we are until a vaccine is approved.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
I’m sure it’s just wishful thinking and hindsight but it’s a shame all foreign travel couldn’t have been stopped imediately this disease was discovered, only letting foreign nationals leave and any brits having to undergo full isolation if they returned.
Had it been possible to keep the disease out only the travel industry would need to be furloughed, everything else could carry on as normal other than international trade which would no doubt cause a few headaches on how to manage exchange and quarantine of goods .

Of course that would have had to rely on the fact that the disease wasn’t allready here before it was officially recognised and would no doubt have been deeply unpopular with many who couldn’t have their foreign holidays.

It wouldn't be a small number of people that lost their jobs though would it?
You don't have to think about it for long to realise just how many businesses would be finished if airports, passenger ferries and the channel tunnel were all closed to people.
Even if you could do it - how do you stop people sailing across the channel in small boats etc - you'd still have problems. We haven't had a single case in the south island since April/May, which is great but we're still restricted on a lot of things we can do and now face the 'what's next' problem because as the north Island and Australia have shown, you cant let a single case in or it all starts again.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
The UK is tiny and has a massive population, many of which live in cramped poorly designed towns and cities. They've been told they cant work, cant send children to school and should stay home in their tiny houses.
I'm not surprised some of them want to go out to the countryside for a bit.
I don't think farm life has been affected that much has it? Work as normal, plenty of space, head off outside to 'check the stock' when the kids start to get a bit loud etc.
 
It wouldn't be a small number of people that lost their jobs though would it?
You don't have to think about it for long to realise just how many businesses would be finished if airports, passenger ferries and the channel tunnel were all closed to people.
Even if you could do it - how do you stop people sailing across the channel in small boats etc - you'd still have problems. We haven't had a single case in the south island since April/May, which is great but we're still restricted on a lot of things we can do and now face the 'what's next' problem because as the north Island and Australia have shown, you cant let a single case in or it all starts again.
But it’s not as if what’s happening now isn’t going to result in job losses as well as the effect the current situation is having on the economy and government borrowing, it would most likely have cost a lot less to furlough that one sector and let the rest of the country carry on as normal.

Not that it would ever have happened, when news first broke of cv19 I dare say most thought it was a Chinese problem that wouldn’t affect us, anyone who had suggested shutting our borders would have been laughed at and their would have been uproar if the government had suggested or tried to implement it.
So we are where we are, people will die, people will lose jobs and the effect on the economy will be long lasting

The theory of shutting the borders before the disease had entered is just basic bio security even if it is wishful thinking
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Fair enough, not preaching - just stating the facts about disease control

But like FAM, in 2001 the best policy was to reduce transmission by not travelling - potentially spreading the disease

That is precisely why we now have a rise in infections, people mixing locally, not wearing masks and not social distancing........... and also people travelling, from their home areas, to holiday in UK and abroad

Quite simple really - BREAK the TRANSMISSION = STOP the DISEASE

No Host = No Infection
Alternatively you could have a culling programme and slaughter those herds that have the infection. Although that might not go down well in the towns. But it would reduce infection numbers overnight.
 
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twizzel

Member
Why don’t you then? I had a cavity drilled and filled a couple of weeks ago. £80 and a good night’s sleep afterwards.
Couldn’t afford it at the time, and dentist assured me the tooth was fine. Now it’s being looked at under nhs tomorrow but it’ll need either root canal or extraction the latter would mean some sort of sedation as dentists and me don’t mix very well :wtf:
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Couldn’t afford it at the time, and dentist assured me the tooth was fine. Now it’s being looked at under nhs tomorrow but it’ll need either root canal or extraction the latter would mean some sort of sedation as dentists and me don’t mix very well :wtf:

If it's of any help, at the last appointment where I needed some dental work done, the dentist suggested I imagine going on a favourite walk whilst it took place. He suggested I wiggle my toes and quietly move my feet as though walking if I became a little aware of the drill.

It worked to reduce my stress levels. Only the usual nerve block needed for the drilling. Nothing else.
 
I’m sure it’s just wishful thinking and hindsight but it’s a shame all foreign travel couldn’t have been stopped imediately this disease was discovered, only letting foreign nationals leave and any brits having to undergo full isolation if they returned.
Had it been possible to keep the disease out only the travel industry would need to be furloughed, everything else could carry on as normal other than international trade which would no doubt cause a few headaches on how to manage exchange and quarantine of goods .

Of course that would have had to rely on the fact that the disease wasn’t allready here before it was officially recognised and would no doubt have been deeply unpopular with many who couldn’t have their foreign holidays.

All the evidence suggests the virus was already across many countries by the end of December. It would all have been too late.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
If it's of any help, at the last appointment where I needed some dental work done, the dentist suggested I imagine going on a favourite walk whilst it took place. He suggested I wiggle my toes and quietly move my feet as though walking if I became a little aware of the drill.

It worked to reduce my stress levels. Only the usual nerve block needed for the drilling. Nothing else.

Nah, think of Dustin Hoffman:ROFLMAO:
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
One thing I am pleased at is that the government are now seeing that most people gave up on lockdown rules when Cummings walked out of the no 10 rose garden. That is going to come back to haunt them.
Not really. Just because Cummings has done wrong ( did he though :unsure: ) doesn't give the rest of us the green light to be aerosols.
Getting a bit tired of let's lock the old codgers up, so we can party like it's 1999 too.
It might give folks a warm fuzzy feeling leaving groceries at old folks front doors, but if covid spreads more widely amongst the population there's a good chance whoever packed the groceries might have corvid. And also whoever delivered it. OK, wash your hands after packing stuff away, but will you remember after getting something out the fridge 2 days later? Wash hands after sorting through the post ? getting the milk in ? And so on. One slip up, and all that self isolating has been for nowt. Letting the virus run rampant through the population seems like a bad idea to me. What about NHS staff ? A few died during the first wave IIRC ?
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Not really. Just because Cummings has done wrong ( did he though :unsure: ) doesn't give the rest of us the green light to be aerosols.

I think he did unless Barnard Castle has become the new Lourdes :)

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