New Shutdown?

maen

Member
Location
S West
Would it not have been obvious for all the Uk to have had a regional lockdown over the Summer. People could travel and work, attend school etc within that region. Goods could be exported and imported without hindrance.

Airports within regions could be used ( if you must) so that infections could be dealt with on a regional basis And contained as such.

Uk holidays areas have been busy with people living out of the region. This leads increased risk of transmission from infected returnees from Greece etc from their region of origin. It also restricts movement of the local opulation that do not wish risking contact with ‘out of region’ visitors. This is beginning to be a real problem in some areas with severe local isolation within certain age groups.

All the above sounds like Foot And Mouth type controls whereby bubbles of both clean and at risk areas are kept apart but near normal life is able to operate within the bubble. If outbreaks occurred severe restriction are imposed instantly to control the spread. People spread the infection so goods would be able to moved with good bio security.

I fear that the rights of many are being compromised by the actions of a few.
 

onesiedale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Derbyshire
I think the whole pandemic in society has echoed what agriculture went through with F & M. To the point that the virus will disappear eventually, but the change in the way society operates will have altered forever and, as ever, sadly the next generation will just have to deal with it.
 

maen

Member
Location
S West
I agree, but steps we take now will make the process quicker. Like F&M the problem must be contained and eliminated. Free access to countries that have the problem must stop. A lease allow our own citizens to move in their own country without constant lock downs. Or do we just take the mortality like the USA.
 
I’m sure it’s just wishful thinking and hindsight but it’s a shame all foreign travel couldn’t have been stopped imediately this disease was discovered, only letting foreign nationals leave and any brits having to undergo full isolation if they returned.
Had it been possible to keep the disease out only the travel industry would need to be furloughed, everything else could carry on as normal other than international trade which would no doubt cause a few headaches on how to manage exchange and quarantine of goods .

Of course that would have had to rely on the fact that the disease wasn’t allready here before it was officially recognised and would no doubt have been deeply unpopular with many who couldn’t have their foreign holidays.
 
I agree, but steps we take now will make the process quicker. Like F&M the problem must be contained and eliminated. Free access to countries that have the problem must stop. A lease allow our own citizens to move in their own country without constant lock downs. Or do we just take the mortality like the USA.

15% in UK versus 3.3 in US.
Figures get manipulated but that's some difference, there must be something going on apart from population density.........are you not taking your vitamin D (the best defense according to Dr. Fuchi )
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
15% in UK versus 3.3 in US.
Figures get manipulated but that's some difference, there must be something going on apart from population density.........are you not taking your vitamin D (the best defense according to Dr. Fuchi )
If you base it on deaths per 1000 of population there is nothing to choose between the UK and the USA
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Got a small caravan site here and plenty of neighbours with big sites, all rammed, people randomly turning up expecting spaces and have said they’ve traveled for miles without seeing a space. A serious amount of people are touring the UK, thankfully most are in the 60+ group so always have gloves/masks on regardless.
The local town which has always been busy during the holidays season is now out of bounds to any locals, All beaches are no go areas to locals and you can forget thinking of going for food/drink anywhere as swarms of people from out of the area have embarked on the area.
I passed 1 campsite yesterday by Newgale and you wouldn’t have been able to fit a mini car on the whole 5/6acre field, it’s like a continuous August bank holiday down here at the moment :mad:
 

maen

Member
Location
S West
I think what you describe is common in most holiday areas. The local population is having to sacrifice its independence and ability to socialise because some want to trade normally.

With winter around the corner and predictions that the epidemic will increase in colder weather I think there will be an upsurge to limit travel until a vaccine can be found. Many people have been in force lock down just to avoid contact from holiday visitors that have swarmed.

It’s is impossible to open a Village Hall but the beach bars are doing a great trade. People’s patience and under standing have reached there limit. I think the mantra should now be

Stay Local Stay Safe. And this should be enforced.
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
I think what you describe is common in most holiday areas. The local population is having to sacrifice its independence and ability to socialise because some want to trade normally.

With winter around the corner and predictions that the epidemic will increase in colder weather I think there will be an upsurge to limit travel until a vaccine can be found. Many people have been in force lock down just to avoid contact from holiday visitors that have swarmed.

It’s is impossible to open a Village Hall but the beach bars are doing a great trade. People’s patience and under standing have reached there limit. I think the mantra should now be

Stay Local Stay Safe. And this should be enforced.
Very much so, people had 5 months of lockdown and then the day the barriers were lifted thousands of tw@‘s arrived so locals have then had to succumb to another few months of lockdown :(
Pubs etc won’t serve alcohol unless your having foot apparently, tourists have prebooked everything weeks in advance and getting a Tesco delivery slot is now mid October as caravaner’s and self catering cottages are taking all available slots, couple staying next door had 4 ASDA deliveries in Their 14 day stay :mad: 😭
 
Location
southwest
A regional lockdown is a good idea but impossible to implement.

OH and I both work in a different County to where we live. Nearest shops etc are also "abroad"

As for "recreational" travel, you'd have to have manned border crossings on every road!
 

uztrac

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
fakenham-norfolk
Got a small caravan site here and plenty of neighbours with big sites, all rammed, people randomly turning up expecting spaces and have said they’ve traveled for miles without seeing a space. A serious amount of people are touring the UK, thankfully most are in the 60+ group so always have gloves/masks on regardless.
The local town which has always been busy during the holidays season is now out of bounds to any locals, All beaches are no go areas to locals and you can forget thinking of going for food/drink anywhere as swarms of people from out of the area have embarked on the area.
I passed 1 campsite yesterday by Newgale and you wouldn’t have been able to fit a mini car on the whole 5/6acre field, it’s like a continuous August bank holiday down here at the moment :mad:
You are not alone,we have a very similar situation .I have never seen so many caravans on the move as I have witnessed in the past 10 days.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Got a small caravan site here and plenty of neighbours with big sites, all rammed, people randomly turning up expecting spaces and have said they’ve traveled for miles without seeing a space. A serious amount of people are touring the UK, thankfully most are in the 60+ group so always have gloves/masks on regardless.
The local town which has always been busy during the holidays season is now out of bounds to any locals, All beaches are no go areas to locals and you can forget thinking of going for food/drink anywhere as swarms of people from out of the area have embarked on the area.
I passed 1 campsite yesterday by Newgale and you wouldn’t have been able to fit a mini car on the whole 5/6acre field, it’s like a continuous August bank holiday down here at the moment :mad:

Struggling with your post AL R. Do you have a small caravan site with guests? I think that is how I read your post. Soz if wrong. Yet I also take it you are bemoaning the tourists in your area - as are the other groaners in this thread. I am a bit thick, well very thick, but if you have a caravan site and it is open - why?
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Struggling with your post AL R. Do you have a small caravan site with guests? I think that is how I read your post. Soz if wrong. Yet I also take it you are bemoaning the tourists in your area - as are the other groaners in this thread. I am a bit thick, well very thick, but if you have a caravan site and it is open - why?
Yes it’s very contradicting I know but I have 5 caravans/campervans 30-35metres apart. I was moaning about the ones packed in like sardines where the guide ropes overlap each other and they pack like sardines on benches/streets etc
 

Daddy Pig

Member
Location
dorset
Got a small caravan site here and plenty of neighbours with big sites, all rammed, people randomly turning up expecting spaces and have said they’ve traveled for miles without seeing a space. A serious amount of people are touring the UK, thankfully most are in the 60+ group so always have gloves/masks on regardless.
The local town which has always been busy during the holidays season is now out of bounds to any locals, All beaches are no go areas to locals and you can forget thinking of going for food/drink anywhere as swarms of people from out of the area have embarked on the area.
I passed 1 campsite yesterday by Newgale and you wouldn’t have been able to fit a mini car on the whole 5/6acre field, it’s like a continuous August bank holiday down here at the moment :mad:
Just out of interest why are you thankful they are wearing gloves ? the beaches down here are packed also but a large proportion are locals, all the evidence suggests that it doesn't spread outdoors
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Just out of interest why are you thankful they are wearing gloves ? the beaches down here are packed also but a large proportion are locals, all the evidence suggests that it doesn't spread outdoors
Stiles/footpath/gates on the farm and on the caravan site they share a tap and bins....
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Well, we haven’t been anywhere this summer
Just kept local and avoided busy areas locally and enjoyed deserted walks etc
Those that have holidayed in UK and abroad have just been selfish
Big Society - don’t make me fudging laugh
 

Daddy Pig

Member
Location
dorset
Well, we haven’t been anywhere this summer
Just kept local and avoided busy areas locally and enjoyed deserted walks etc
Those that have holidayed in UK and abroad have just been selfish
Big Society - don’t make me fudging laugh
Sorry but I took the family on holiday camping in the UK and I really resent you calling me selfish. What gives you the right to preach to others how to live their lives.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Sorry but I took the family on holiday camping in the UK and I really resent you calling me selfish. What gives you the right to preach to others how to live their lives.
I love all these people calling others selfish because they went on holiday or dared to venture out of their homes. The virus didn’t go away levels of infection and deaths have been lower abroad anyway. Now we are faced with hysteria over rising infections rates which are probably nowhere near what they were in March anyway. People who want to get things back to normal are sensible not selfish. If you are vulnerable you know the drill by now.
 

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