New small drum mower ?

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
Small farm here , been happy with our old PZ165 just one incident where we lost the saucer on a tree root , are all the new various copys , same design ie sealed gearbox bearings , removable cover (4 bolts ) or any to avoid for being cheaply made .thanks
from my own experience...
I stuck with PZ ~(due to igneous issues, this is where mowers come to die),
but after they went to Kuhn, I found they died a lot quicker.

Had 2-3 samaz's, and found when something goes bang, that Weaving are very good, sending bits asap, and the mowers go back together.
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
from my own experience...
I stuck with PZ ~(due to igneous issues, this is where mowers come to die),
but after they went to Kuhn, I found they died a lot quicker.

Had 2-3 samaz's, and found when something goes bang, that Weaving are very good, sending bits asap, and the mowers go back together.
sealed bearings , or oil bath like old km22 ?
 

haymaker80

Member
Location
Stafford
That would be a Kuhn then, they're too expensive for what they are. I was quoted £3100 for a shop soiled (3 year old) 6ft PZ190, collected from the dealer in a crate. I didn't ask for a built and delivered price!
I was recently quoted just under 4k for a new pz190. Thought it sounded a bit steep given the weaving and agrilinc ones are advertised round the 2300-2500 mark. Saying that, the vicon we've currently got cost just over 2k new in 2002
 

balerman

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Location
N Devon
I don't think the headstock geometry is any different on the Kuhn. They're all designed for 60hp tractors. The larger models may suit 100hp plus tractors but you'd have to have more money than sense to buy one of them.
None of them seem to sit right on the tractor,when lifted up on the headland the outside drum is almost digging on the ground.Don’t remember the old KM22 being like that.
 

Boohoo

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Location
Newtownabbey
None of them seem to sit right on the tractor,when lifted up on the headland the outside drum is almost digging on the ground.Don’t remember the old KM22 being like that.
The KM22 lifted level. I didn't know that not lifting level was an issue, I thought catching the tractor wheel was the issue with some makes.
 

balerman

Member
Location
N Devon
The KM22 lifted level. I didn't know that not lifting level was an issue, I thought catching the tractor wheel was the issue with some makes.
We had a Kverneland one that used to catch the wheel,it used to lift level,but the headstock disintegrated on that one,was polish made I believe.Bought a lely after that,but that’s another story altogether.
 

Boohoo

Member
Location
Newtownabbey
We had a Kverneland one that used to catch the wheel,it used to lift level,but the headstock disintegrated on that one,was polish made I believe.Bought a lely after that,but that’s another story altogether.
What was the story with the Lely? I was tempted by a 240 Splendimo, there are a few for sale here at the right money at the moment, but parts availability put me off.
 

Bald n Grumpy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Bought a Kuhn PZ 170 4 years ago cost £2100
Does what I need , lot more than 20 acres a year, needed welding on the headstock pivot last year but nothings built like it used to be
 

balerman

Member
Location
N Devon
What was the story with the Lely? I was tempted by a 240 Splendimo, there are a few for sale here at the right money at the moment, but parts availability put me off.
Mine is one of the later ones,lovely mower to hitch up and use and it makes a top job.You must stop if you hit a stone,bent blades will wreak havoc on a short time,destroying the skids and then eating in to the spacer tube between the discs,the drive shaft is just inside there and won’t stick a blade hitting it for long.They are easy and cheapish to repair tho,parts not an issue yet.
 

Wellytrack

Member
None of them seem to sit right on the tractor,when lifted up on the headland the outside drum is almost digging on the ground.Don’t remember the old KM22 being like that.

Yes this is the biggest issue. We had a PZ 165 on an 885, it got over enough without being to forward and there was adjustment in the carriage for it. Someone else with a copy and a 895 tried the same and it was almost trailing a saucer still lifted.
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
I bought pz haybob 360 build quality is awful compared to the old pz200 that's been left out for prob 20+ years ,360 is rusty as **** and just about recoverable that's why I asked original question
I have an orange Kuhn, remains to be seen how paint fares. The build finish is definitely not as good as the 20 year old Vicon PZ that it replaced.
 

Chris16

Member
Mixed Farmer
Just talking from my own experiences, had a new Kuhn Pz, was very well built and could absolutely fly with it, ran it on a 65 hp new Holland t5010 and also a new Holland 8360 that had been tweaked to over 150hp, no myther or issues and did the same job on both! Had a talex 185 and it was built quite poorly and in even moderately heavy crops you had to crawl. Then found a mint 7ft cut square headstock pz mower years back that we still use today that is also fantastic. I have seen a few second hand Kuhn pz drum mowers for under 2k recently in nice order, they would long outlast a new cheap one I’m sure and have good resale too.
 

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