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[rob1]

The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase".

Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis. Source BBC.

so the cost the uk is expected to 215 million a wk, and the feb agreement is dependent on it being approved by the commission, I think their will be a removal van at no ten in july,the way this is going and the more that comes to light the likely we will vote out

 

[Ley253]

Camerons "Agreement" is a master class in deception.Ask for nothing, get nothing, = my renegotiation was a success! We will forget that the EU have already said is not enshrined in law!

 

[Clive]

I know you are away at present.
But I hope you have taken in Sir James Dysons interview & Sir Anthony Bamfords letter.
These are real British ( British owned ) businesses. Exporting huge amounts of products to the world, much more outside of the EU.

These are people to take note of not the career politicians that fill the TV screens & newspapers daily.

Bamford and Dyson are not alone either, I was at a charity clay shoot and lunch yesterday full of similar big business names and much to my surprise all I spoke to seemed to say they felt we would be better if out or it would make no difference to their business

 

[Henarar]

why are we worried about the likes of Dyson or Bamford anyway they will be alright [Jack] anyway, all very fine to say everything will be no different when you have enough to last a few lifetimes anyway
Perhaps some or all of those that are so keen to leave on here will be alright Jack to ?
And for those that say I take a selfish point of view and should look at the bigger picture while sat on their 100s or 1000s or acres of land and the fortune it has made them in the last few years in payments from the EU well f**k you anyway

 

[Muck Spreader]

Bamford and Dyson are not alone either, I was at a charity clay shoot and lunch yesterday full of similar big business names and much to my surprise all I spoke to seemed to say they felt we would be better if out or it would make no difference to their business

I suppose it doesn't really matter if your money is held in tax havens. There are still a hell of a lot of very rich Greeks despite all the problems they have had. It's the middle class and the poor who always carry the can.

 

[Still Farming]

Greeks -two book system.
Richest in World -Just look in Posiraus Harbour in Athens .
They all say one thiing and do the Opp. ?

 

[Clive]

I suppose it doesn't really matter if your money is held in tax havens. There are still a hell of a lot of very rich Greeks despite all the problems they have had. It's the middle class and the poor who always carry the can.

I'm still fairly sure anyone who has built a business has no desire to see it fail no matter how well off they may be personally

 

[Danllan]

The pricks are angry in their genes. FFS you have to wonder where the fug this is all going[emoji85]

Firstly, I 'liked' your post because I think it is the most honest and revelatory I've seen from you yet.

Secondly... you are damned right we are angry, but it most certainly isn't genetic. It is the result of having government after government - of all political colours - make promises about retention of sovereignty, reduction in immigration etc. etc. and not one promise being kept. It is the result of having many of our towns and cities 'enriched' by immigration to the point where large parts are in no way any longer British other than in a geographical sense and where I - being a native Briton - am an ethnic minority in my own capital city. It is the result of having the majority of legislation in this country imposed by those we can't remove using our democratic mechanisms. It is the result - and this is our own fault - of pandering to lefty-liberal types who find anything they do not politically agree with 'offensive'. It is the result of a great detachment between our own politicians and those who, in theory, they represent. It is the result of the total ignorance of the unelected Euro-elite as to how the British people - and others - regard what they are doing and why they are doing. This isn't by any means an exhaustive list, but it gets the point across.

Now, I stand by all I have written above and I do want us out of the EU, no error. But I can write that and still like the Germans as a nation - for reasons I can't wholly identify - and enjoy visiting Italy and France and Spain and Ireland. And I certainly don't think that talk of bombing and war is of any relevance to this discussion as a whole, unless in an historical context. I am not a nationalist in the British white supremacist sense, and have no problem with necessary European or non-white immigration to the UK. But enough is enough, Britain is losing Britain - apologies to those in NI, but the 'UK' wouldn't phrase as well there - and even if the status quo remains, rather than the more likely occurrence of its getting worse, the chances are that anything like the country we know will be lost in a generation.

I don't want that, and the first step toward preventing it is, logically, to leave the EU.

 

[manhill]

Putin would be pleased as punch to see the attacks on the Germans on this thread.
I think membership of the EU has brought countries closer over the years. Look how English has become not only the working language but also the dominant culture in Europe. Germany may dominate the wealth but not the culture.
Listen to me, I'm talking like a remainer now! I hate the control freaks of the EU deciding every aspect of my life but I'm more scared of the EU fracturing post Brexit.

 

[Ley253]

Putin would be pleased as punch to see the attacks on the Germans on this thread.
I think membership of the EU has brought countries closer over the years. Look how English has become not only the working language but also the dominant culture in Europe. Germany may dominate the wealth but not the culture.
Listen to me, I'm talking like a remainer now! I hate the control freaks of the EU deciding every aspect of my life but I'm more scared of the EU fracturing post Brexit.

Why? Its not because you have become so used to having someone else make decisions for you, that the thought of having to do so yourself is terrifying, is it? Its no surprise that all the high flying "remainers" who have lusted for, and attained success in their chosen field, seem scared to death of actually becoming responsible for their actions.No EU to hide behind when things go wrong, that certainly seems to apply to the government.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I'm still fairly sure anyone who has built a business has no desire to see it fail no matter how well off they may be personally

The two are not mutually exclusive in fact just the opposite, successful business = tax haven. However, what you do want is less regulation and less accountability to the state, which equates to worker exploitation and less Tax revenue.

 

[caveman]

The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase".

Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis. Source BBC.

We won't pay?
Your having a laugh ain't you?
If we remain.... expect our prostitutes and drug dealers to be taxed far more often by Brussels.

 

[rob1]

why are we worried about the likes of Dyson or Bamford anyway they will be alright [Jack] anyway, all very fine to say everything will be no different when you have enough to last a few lifetimes anyway
Perhaps some or all of those that are so keen to leave on here will be alright Jack to ?
And for those that say I take a selfish point of view and should look at the bigger picture while sat on their 100s or 1000s or acres of land and the fortune it has made them in the last few years in payments from the EU well fudge you anyway

So if they dont count why does the remain side shout hooray when similar people say we should stay, not that the boss of the bank of england, DC, those who work for the treasury and others who get paid by the government arent looking at it from a one eyed view of course ?

 

[Henarar]

So if they dont count why does the remain side shout hooray when similar people say we should stay, not that the boss of the bank of england, DC, those who work for the treasury and others who get paid by the government arent looking at it from a one eyed view of course ?

I don't give a flying for any of them either

 

[Honest john]

why are we worried about the likes of Dyson or Bamford anyway they will be alright [Jack] anyway, all very fine to say everything will be no different when you have enough to last a few lifetimes anyway
Perhaps some or all of those that are so keen to leave on here will be alright Jack to ?
And for those that say I take a selfish point of view and should look at the bigger picture while sat on their 100s or 1000s or acres of land and the fortune it has made them in the last few years in payments from the EU well fudge you anyway

I totally get your point.

My son works for Bamford.
He is rich now but has took the risks, employs a lot of people & earns money for Great Britain.

He hasn't sold up to the India or China " yet " we very much need this type of person & more like him.

These people Export a lot outside of the EU but have to go though the EU to do that.

If we were out they must feel they could get stuff done cheaper & faster though Westminster.

Remember Dyson must have a massive BPS clam now so he has stuff to lose as well.