New to ploghing and need some help, not competition ploughing

arcobob

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Norfolk
Yes both stabalizers have play in them, enough to give about a foot of movement of the MB end, is that enough or too much. Also I have a hydraulic toplink that is set so it floats so the depth control can work properly and only get wieght on when i lift out to turn over.
This floating top link concerns me slightly because mounted ploughs with less than three furrows have a strong tendency to forward rotate when in work,thus putting pressure on the top link. How do you control the pitch if this forward rotation is left unchecked?
 

keredg

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Location
Galicia, Spain
Fronts are narrower than the rears, about 6", they run about the centre of the rears, the next hole puts them wider.
The pitch and i think you mean eventual depth is controled by the arms on this tractor and you have to lower the plough after turning into the ground to reset the toplink as as soon as you start to lift out it locks in position until lowered again, its a strange but clever device, hard to ecplain. There is a slight adgustment on it.
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Ts that threaded rod top centre of the photo, it screwa in/out to limit the toplink.
 
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keredg

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Galicia, Spain
Its 3" per side difference, fronts narrower than the rears, I can widen the fronts but the next hole makes them wider than the reers. Still not tried it with any adjustment yet we had heavy rain at the weekend and the ground is still too wet.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Front wheel to wheel ( inside tyre wall ) measurement a little wider than the rear one is fine but you dont really want the front narrower than the rear.
 

Howard150

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Location
Yorkshire
Front wheel to wheel ( inside tyre wall ) measurement a little wider than the rear one is fine but you dont really want the front narrower than the rear.

Beg to differ. My 35 has both internal faces the same. On some ground the rear tyre lifts and crumbles the furrow wall and you can see the difference in the two furrows.
With the front wheel of my 780 tight up against the furrow wall, the rear tyre is about an inch clear. Never have the problem of differing furrows.

A ploughing legend from these parts told me years ago that wheel track should be as narrow as possible with the fronts in line or on centre all depending on the depth you intended ploughing at!
 
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Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Beg to differ. My 35 has both internal faces the same. On some ground the rear tyre lifts and crumbles the furrow wall and you can see the difference in the two furrows.
With the front wheel of my 780 tight up against the furrow wall, the rear tyre is about an inch clear. Never have the problem of differing furrows.

A ploughing legend from these parts told me years ago that wheel track should be as narrow as possible with the fronts in line or on centre all depending on the depth you intended ploughing at!
The problem of differing furrows has reared its ugly head here , and im stuck atm with what to try next,:scratchhead:

number 2 of 4 ( on both sides but slightly worse on left hand :unsure:) is showing high, all interbody measurements arechecked and adjusted to the book and balanced nicely left and righthand bodies , as are underbeam clearances , im stumped atm....(n)
 

Pennine Ploughing

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Mixed Farmer
The problem of differing furrows has reared its ugly head here , and im stuck atm with what to try next,:scratchhead:

number 2 of 4 ( on both sides but slightly worse on left hand :unsure:) is showing high, all interbody measurements arechecked and adjusted to the book and balanced nicely left and righthand bodies , as are underbeam clearances , im stumped atm....(n)
I might be wide of the mark here,
But sounds like your to deep on the front on the plough, and slightly narrow on front furrow, this would mean the front slightly deeper and narrower will look like the back furrows, but the 2nd one is same width as them behind it, but deeper than them, thus throwing a higher furrow, widen the front just a little and slightly longer top link,
If worse on left give the leveling arm a turn longer
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
I might be wide of the mark here,
But sounds like your to deep on the front on the plough, and slightly narrow on front furrow, this would mean the front slightly deeper and narrower will look like the back furrows, but the 2nd one is same width as them behind it, but deeper than them, thus throwing a higher furrow, widen the front just a little and slightly longer top link,
If worse on left give the leveling arm a turn longer
I may have missed the point but I think this is a single furrow plough.
 

rick_vandal

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Location
Soft South
Could it be here at the rear?View attachment 866921

These pins allow the bar to swing left and right on the headstock
View attachment 866924

On the first picture its fully closed in line with the main bar, the pin is out of sight, if i move the pin a couple of holes the chisel point will move to the left, will this cause the blade to pull left? and cut closer to the wheel.
This is all new to me after being 40 years farming the sea.

thanks
Derek
Somebody on a hobby-horse has hijacked the thread! Derek has a single furrow, reversible plough on a big tractor and in trouble. Looks to me like the legs and knife coulter assembly has a vertical pivot with lots of optional holes (now set to minimum of 45cm). His cross-shaft (Cat 1?) looks free to pivot once the stand is removed (?) Try opening up a next hole to go wider and compensate by going deeper using that 72HP for the benefit of your spuds. This is not a really Competition Ploughing problem.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
I might be wide of the mark here,
But sounds like your to deep on the front on the plough, and slightly narrow on front furrow, this would mean the front slightly deeper and narrower will look like the back furrows, but the 2nd one is same width as them behind it, but deeper than them, thus throwing a higher furrow, widen the front just a little and slightly longer top link,
If worse on left give the leveling arm a turn longer
i thinkyou are probably on th emark, could be the 2 fronts are too steep a pitch owing to the f act that i have not measured accurately enough measure them without a beam to put ther ule against, straight edge on the 2 middle ones will be the next thing and i will need to pull themfront ones down a bit i bet.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Somebody on a hobby-horse has hijacked the thread! Derek has a single furrow, reversible plough on a big tractor and in trouble. Looks to me like the legs and knife coulter assembly has a vertical pivot with lots of optional holes (now set to minimum of 45cm). His cross-shaft (Cat 1?) looks free to pivot once the stand is removed (?) Try opening up a next hole to go wider and compensate by going deeper using that 72HP for the benefit of your spuds. This is not a really Competition Ploughing problem.
thats his problem, tractors far too big, Derek needs to take a leaf from this chaps book, :sneaky:

 

keredg

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Location
Galicia, Spain
Front wheel to wheel ( inside tyre wall ) measurement a little wider than the rear one is fine but you dont really want the front narrower than the rear.

What i should have wrote is the inside measurement of the front wheels ia about six inches more than the inside of the rear, 3" a side but the fronts run almost dead centre of the rear and the outside of the front tyres is still less than the outside of the rears.
Still have not managed to get to the field due to rain, yesterday we had thunder and lightning with gob stopper size hailstones and the lightning took out my router at 4pm, i reported it by mobile and a new router arrived completely free of charge this morning at 9:30am, can't complain about the service but the weather sucks.
 

keredg

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Location
Galicia, Spain
As to hijacking the thread, no problem, the more i can learn about ploughing the better, and in one place, I think i sort of hijacked the whole section as this is nothing to do with competition ploughing but there is no other relative section to place my problem, It would be nice to have the section for ploughing and a subsection for competition, that way i'm not stepping on anyones toes. I'm sure many have not posted their problems with ploughing as this is not realy the right place, as is. I also think more people plough than competition plough, maybe one day I will be good enough to progress to competition.
 

Howard150

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Location
Yorkshire
Shouldn’t get too uptight about hacking the thread. Plenty of good advice comes from these pages which have good, knowledgeable, helpful guys, all ready to help and advise.
Similar thing happens on two or three competition ploughing sites on Facebook, usually with the same crop of guys.
good luck and stay safe and well.
 
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rick_vandal

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Location
Soft South
How much of ploughing is science, or craft, or rote? Seen some drivers with clipboards of stage directions!
 

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