New tractor, which model to choose

If I’ve learnt anything in my farming career always buy the highest hp in any range. For example a Puma 240 cvx is more sought after than a 195 cvx for example. Also JD 6215R far more sought after than a 6195R.
£3300 is nothing over the life of the tractor and the extra money over 5 years today will cost you about £100 per year in interest.
Totally agree, it not just the hp that's different, the example you use of the 215r compared to the 195r is a 1000kgs difference in lift capacity due to bigger lift rams fitted as standard, (90mm as opposed to 85).
 

texelburger

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
Totally agree, it not just the hp that's different, the example you use of the 215r compared to the 195r is a 1000kgs difference in lift capacity due to bigger lift rams fitted as standard, (90mm as opposed to 85).
I remember my late father saying it was always best to have a little more hp than you need.It means you've always on top of things.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
What is so good about those two to put them ahead of all others?
For the 8S
The space and quietness in the cab. The radiator fan which draws air from the cab end and blows it out of the front, which is a major advance for dusty and chaffy front mounted work. The massively increased number of large brake disks and stopping power. The visibility. The new Datatronic system, which has always led the market is further improved and refined. The camera integrated camera system.
These are just a few things I've learnt about it so far while acknowledging I haven't seen one in the metal.
The JCB uses the same brand of engine and transmission of course, although a new improved CVT will be a while coming to the 8S, although it is going to be offered. Again the JCB has a new spacious cab and a still unbeatable ride.

These are a generation ahead, possibly up to five years ahead of the opposition as overall packages currently. They are not just mild refreshes or styling and spec upgrades of previous models. They are the basis for the next decade's upgrades at least.
 
For the 8S
The space and quietness in the cab. The radiator fan which draws air from the cab end and blows it out of the front, which is a major advance for dusty and chaffy front mounted work. The massively increased number of large brake disks and stopping power. The visibility. The new Datatronic system, which has always led the market is further improved and refined. The camera integrated camera system.
These are just a few things I've learnt about it so far while acknowledging I haven't seen one in the metal.
The JCB uses the same brand of engine and transmission of course, although a new improved CVT will be a while coming to the 8S, although it is going to be offered. Again the JCB has a new spacious cab and a still unbeatable ride.

These are a generation ahead, possibly up to five years ahead of the opposition as overall packages currently. They are not just mild refreshes or styling and spec upgrades of previous models. They are the basis for the next decade's upgrades at least.
Yet to be proven yet though its all marketing blurb and sales talk which has to work when all put together in the field.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Yet to be proven yet though its all marketing blurb and sales talk which has to work when all put together in the field.
Like all new products it is bound to have a few issues to be sorted by updates, modifications or warranty. Such things have never bothered me much in the past. No reason to doubt this new model more than any other, especially with their new downtime guarantee.
I'm judging it as an engineering concept and design, not on whether they have got it absolutely right from Job One.
 
Like all new products it is bound to have a few issues to be sorted by updates, modifications or warranty. Such things have never bothered me much in the past. No reason to doubt this new model more than any other, especially with their new downtime guarantee.
I'm judging it as an engineering concept and design, not on whether they have got it absolutely right from Job One.
All I'm saying is its ok saying its this that and the other on paper but its how it actually works which will define it.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
When you can buy a 3 years old 7720 Dyna vt with 1500 hours on it with warranty for 65k is poor

Then buy it instead of new. Very few will buy a three year old tractor today, which will have no subsidised finance and probably no warranty left for less than £30 to 40K less than new. The finance alone is probably worth £20k to many purchasers.
 
For the 8S
The space and quietness in the cab. The radiator fan which draws air from the cab end and blows it out of the front, which is a major advance for dusty and chaffy front mounted work. The massively increased number of large brake disks and stopping power. The visibility. The new Datatronic system, which has always led the market is further improved and refined. The camera integrated camera system.
These are just a few things I've learnt about it so far while acknowledging I haven't seen one in the metal.
The JCB uses the same brand of engine and transmission of course, although a new improved CVT will be a while coming to the 8S, although it is going to be offered. Again the JCB has a new spacious cab and a still unbeatable ride.

These are a generation ahead, possibly up to five years ahead of the opposition as overall packages currently. They are not just mild refreshes or styling and spec upgrades of previous models. They are the basis for the next decade's upgrades at least.


You have to love MF fan boys, never even seen the thing and and still he preaches about how amazing it is . And as for sucking air from the cab end why would you do that the cleanest air is the air in front of the tractor not behind it all your doing is sucking the heat from the engine and transmission and blowing it into the cooling system.
 
Then buy it instead of new. Very few will buy a three year old tractor today, which will have no subsidised finance and probably no warranty left for less than £30 to 40K less than new. The finance alone is probably worth £20k to many purchasers.
You may want to have a word with some of the main dealers, there is some very good deals on 3yr old tractors out there, I bought one just before Christmas, bit of finance no problem, ( not a MF though).
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
my views buy the bigger one infact why not just get the 265 how much more is that? how big is the kit your ever likely to hitch up behind it?
If you actually do the sums correctly & i hate to say this being a MF man the Fendt will pay longer term far far better than a Massey poss better than any other brand.
None of us really look at tractor purchasing from that angle except the men who can afford the Fendt from the outset, i agree not all of us can & thats there issue.
Iam not convinced this 8S is right or wrong but there is one thing its all new & being in early doors might be best avoided.
That Cab just out scales the rest of the Tractor & doesnt just seem right, iam not saying it isnt good from an Ops point of view tho.
The Trans to wait for is the VT end of.
Lets hope that D7 is more reliable than D6 in that HP bracket.
 

Speedstar

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Location
Scottish Borders
You may want to have a word with some of the main dealers, there is some very good deals on 3yr old tractors out there, I bought one just before Christmas, bit of finance no problem, ( not a MF though).
Any dealer you talk to would love a yard full of 3 year old tractors with low hours on them to sell, the Duck is out of touch with the tractor trade now adays
 

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