New tractors will anybody listen

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
They do listen which is why they make the tractors they do. Technology is what the vast majority of farmers want. Very few basic tractors sell in the UK. The TM Classic range proved that. For all the noise about 'wanting one', very few were actually sold and those that did found that they were nowhere near as productive as the more sophisticated models. Power for power they just couldn't keep up.

It a fanciful myth that technology is particularly unreliable. Time after time it is found that the vast majority of issues with tractors that stop them working are mechanical in nature. To an extent the more technology a tractor has is divorced from extra complications or extra components. It mainly means that the computer is more powerful and therefore can do more of the tractor's management. The exception is the engine's emission equipment of course, which serves no productive purpose but does add most of the extra or extenuous complications to today's tractors, no matter how 'basic' they are otherwise.

My personal experience of faults on new tractors over the past 25 years is that in every case, it has been electronics that have given problems... I will grant you that as time goes on, the equipment will become more robust... I hopes so, as a dry joint on a PCB or a dicky connection on a multi plug is a bloodyt nightmare!

Speaking to a main dealer fitter and they seem to expect the tech to be a major reason for problems, lapdogs at the ready....
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
My personal experience of faults on new tractors over the past 25 years is that in every case, it has been electronics that have given problems... I will grant you that as time goes on, the equipment will become more robust... I hopes so, as a dry joint on a PCB or a dicky connection on a multi plug is a bloodyt nightmare!

Speaking to a main dealer fitter and they seem to expect the tech to be a major reason for problems, lapdogs at the ready....
I run my own tractors and was in the tractor business for many years and I just didn't see that. Most of the so-called electronic issues were nothing of the sort. There were solenoid valves where mostly it was the valve that was stuck mechanically, not the electronics. All kinds of issues with fault codes that indicated faulty mechanical device most of the time. Laptops are used for diagnostics and what they tell you mostly is what component is likely to be faulty and 8 times out of ten that component will be a mechanical device or a part mechanical one where it is the mechanical part that has failed.

Of course there are the occasional electronic issues where you can get faulty connections or a failed electronic device but I find them to be, not rare but a small minority of issues. Far more likely to get air-con, hose, fuel system type faults.
The ones who seem to get the most electrical issues most consistently are the people who power hose their tractors carelessly with no regard to avoiding electrical connectors and electronics and sensors. That's even with 21C tractors that have far superior wiring than those from the 1990's.
 

JD-Kid

Member
find alot of the plastics crap washer bottles etc all crack just in the sunlight
I have said this to a few guys that have been here servicing stuff bikes tractors etc etc each year all the draftsmen must get together at a awards night for who made the biggest pain in the arse disign had a bulldozer here. and I swear they built it around the motor sump plug just about had to take the thing to bits to change the oil
7700 Deere. had with factory loader fitted almost needed 2 elbows in each arm to take the air filter out
the list could go on
even the valtras I have had heap of wiring under the cab but all the dust , lime ,crap from mulching gets in there
alot of plugs on wiring poor and let dampness get in

end of the day I dont need a tractor thats so simple I can fix but needs to be easy to get to main service points wiring and sensors not in holes that get built up with certs etc and lead to rusting better bolts screws in areas that can get salt or sprays on them
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
The scary thing is that the UK has nothing like the weather some countries do, it does make you wonder how JCB machines etc would fare in much hotter/colder environments. The Fastracs I have driven, for example, their air con systems couldn't cope with a hot day in the UK, they must be near as useless in places like the USA.

Best a/c I have ever experienced on my tractor's is a Korean tractor, but from speaking with one of the Importers blokes, Korean summers are the reason for that performance!! :)
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Of course there are the occasional electronic issues where you can get faulty connections or a failed electronic device but I find them to be, not rare but a small minority of issues. Far more likely to get air-con, hose, fuel system type faults.
The ones who seem to get the most electrical issues most consistently are the people who power hose their tractors carelessly with no regard to avoiding electrical connectors and electronics and sensors. That's even with 21C tractors that have far superior wiring than those from the 1990's.

I have had the dash go on 3 tractors, and these thing are closely linked to the controls and monitoring gubbins.

Believe you me, power washing Tractors is an alien concept to me :)
 

Mur Huwcun

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North West Wales
How are electric spook valves hard to operate? They couldn’t be simpler. Just use your finger tips. Pull back, push forward. Right forward for float.

We’ve got manuals in our other tractor and it feels and works so awkwardly in comparison.

A day with a mounted or trailed mower in awkward fields soon gets you fed up of manual spools, especially when you start getting burns on your arm from rubbing on the arm rest! Piano spools or switch on joystick set with timer for one press is a doddle In comparison!!!
 

daveydiesel1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
A day with a mounted or trailed mower in awkward fields soon gets you fed up of manual spools, especially when you start getting burns on your arm from rubbing on the arm rest! Piano spools or switch on joystick set with timer for one press is a doddle In comparison!!!
Yes agreed. Its obviously handier but its when it buggers up is the problem which it probably will if keepin the tractor for 20 years
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I have had the dash go on 3 tractors, and these thing are closely linked to the controls and monitoring gubbins.

Believe you me, power washing Tractors is an alien concept to me :)
Three of the same brand and similar models? There's always the odd crap design or model period. Usually if an electronic part lasts the first six months of average use it will last for decades.
 

Mur Huwcun

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North West Wales
Yes agreed. Its obviously handier but its when it buggers up is the problem which it probably will if keepin the tractor for 20 years

Are they though really, nothing is perfect, every thing fail it’s just that some like to shout louder for certain things. Yes some models have had disastrous electric spools while others have been faultless. A lot of issue is down to the oil running through them, it’s why all manufacturers should go to seperate oil for hydraulic systems
 

ford 7810

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Location
cumbria
Just can not get away with modern tractors .I have a jd direct drive good gearbox but the rest of the electronic shite that goes with it I absolutely hate the bloody thing. but it was bought for a particular driver.I all so have a valtra N111 hi tec gear-levers and manual spools full suspension 50k. I like it that much I’ve just found and bought a N121 the same spec really handy jump on and drive tractors.
 
Ok thinking of buying a new tractor I need 50k and front suspension, then a radio air con gear stick and manual spools that are easy in reach next to the gear stick, had 3 tractors on demo need to be a computer wiz kid to operate spools and turn radio up and down more electrics and gizmos than the star ship enterprise My mates got the new mf 8s on demo and hates it says after 5 years and 5000hrs it will be seriously expensive if a fuse blows or the monitor starts throwing up every error code . When will the manufacturers get the message I have been telling our reps for years and I know I’m not alone🥴
What he are you after?
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
Farmers complaining about electronics being terrible/worst thing ever......


While typing it on the internet using a smartphone/tablet/computer.

:rolleyes:
I seldom take the computer out in the shite feeding cattle.....


A vote for less complexity here.
I'd certainly have changed a couple of JDs in recent years, but can't abide their arrogant eff you attitude to electronics/dealer only servicing etc.
And before @Cowabunga tells me i'm stupid....
why the eff should some feature I never use -or ask for- IE the mudguard mounted pto cut off buttons- be linked to other electronics, causing the tractor to become unusable when the poop gets in? And then be impossible to bypass/disconnect?
Why should the JD 'never fail' clutch -which they had perfect 20+ years ago, become a pain in the ass, needing dealer visits, because they've decided to make it electro controlled?

again...i would be replacing old tractors with new ones as I used to, but can only see the new ones getting worse.
I'd be a cash buyer for new 6310 type machine today....today! (probably 2)
I bet I'm not the only one!
 

wdah/him

Member
Location
tyrone
thinking about it a more basic tractor is probaly available just not the the market place here because of regulations such as engines. After all isnt the 100 series massey, 10 series ford and some models of same still made but dont suit our regulations
 

daveydiesel1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
thinking about it a more basic tractor is probaly available just not the the market place here because of regulations such as engines. After all isnt the 100 series massey, 10 series ford and some models of same still made but dont suit our regulations
Still get a massey 290 in other parts of the world. Read somewhere theres more 290s made than any other massey ever.
 

stevedave

Member
I heard the horror stories and was wary of them, but it’s like anything once youve had them you just want them forever after. Touch wood no issues so far, always keep a cloth on the cab floor and wipe clean every pipe end before sticking them in.

Fully agree on the paintwork and wheels thing though, the blue bits are fine, the chassis and hitch areas leave a lot to be desired, and the wheels are rusting already on our 6 month old T5 :(
Get the wheels resprayed under warranty. We had ours done on a T7.200 before it even came to us from the dealer. The paint on the NH wheels and the black paint is not great. Paint in general on ag machinery is very poor, the only exception seems to be firt spinners so bad paint is for no reason than money saving and bad prep.
 

stevedave

Member
I seldom take the computer out in the shite feeding cattle.....


A vote for less complexity here.
I'd certainly have changed a couple of JDs in recent years, but can't abide their arrogant eff you attitude to electronics/dealer only servicing etc.
And before @Cowabunga tells me i'm stupid....
why the eff should some feature I never use -or ask for- IE the mudguard mounted pto cut off buttons- be linked to other electronics, causing the tractor to become unusable when the poop gets in? And then be impossible to bypass/disconnect?
Why should the JD 'never fail' clutch -which they had perfect 20+ years ago, become a pain in the ass, needing dealer visits, because they've decided to make it electro controlled?

again...i would be replacing old tractors with new ones as I used to, but can only see the new ones getting worse.
I'd be a cash buyer for new 6310 type machine today....today! (probably 2)
I bet I'm not the only one!
Things like the PTO button on mudguards is down to h&s and mother regulations. So even the most basic tractor out there will have certain things on them because of safety.
 

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