Next step ?

[jonnieboy]

Story so far
2nd season with the sumo DTS over 400h and so far so good. Soils are variable but hard on wearing parts and stones are a prominent feature from fist size to football plus . I have to budget on 2 sets of front legs per season.
Rotation is
Wheat beans wheat winter barley osr wheat naked oats . Straw from cereals and rape is baled and swapped for fym and applied on a 3 yr rotation .
No bg but bromes are a problem I seem to have inherited (only my 2nd year as manager ) but I’m hoping the beans and osr give me a decent chance to reduce the brome problem . This land does respond well to hybrid winter barley and historically has often produced the highest margin and early osr entry so don’t want to drop it.
Current tackle is carrier drill rolls
I’m not looking to replace the dts but add a drill with less disturbance, bean stubbles this year we’re crying out for a dd solution.
Now bearing in mind the uncertainty looming and the fact I have a finance manager and very strict budgets to adhere to new drills are off the menu .

Any thoughts ?
I would love for the dts to have a removable drilling element so I could swap to the dd toolbar when required?

 

[TeaBread]

Moores used if you are keeping other kit

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

Moores used if you are keeping other kit

Do you rate your Moore?

 

[AG Tim]

We are thinking about taking off the loosening leg for spring seeding - then only drill with 5" Coulter or 1" Coulter. Than wouldnt move that much soil?!?

When we drill the last wheat in autumn we switched over to Broadcast 120-160 Kernels per squaremeter with the fertspreader (RAUCH AXERA on 24 m) and then drill 280-380 Kernels per squaremeter with the sumo. Sounds strange but its a way to close up gaps with wheat between the rows, which is one Problem we have pointed out over the last years. A second coulterasembly or a switched arm to use the 1" Coulters in 16cm row width could also be an option that wouldnt throw to much soil, when the loosening legs wont touch the ground.

But i also would like to have a disc opinion, maybe someday we could get a cheap vaderstad rapid

 

[TeaBread]

@Warp Land Farmer . Yes rate moores highly - especially for the money paid.

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

@Warp Land Farmer . Yes rate moores highly - especially for the money paid.

Not many about with the front otico press wheels

 

[clbarclay]

Not many about with the front otico press wheels

The older style unidrills are still effective. They have their limitations, but for the most part are very good value and compliment a tine drill to cover a wide range of conditions.

 

[jonnieboy]

Not had a good look at a moore before will they handle bouncing over cobbles ? I know some machines you look at and think 5 ac and it will be a bag of bits
I see agri linc have a sumo/moore 8m in , don't think finance manager will ok that though are they the same principle ?

 

[Andrew K]

Not had a good look at a moore before will they handle bouncing over cobbles ? I know some machines you look at and think 5 ac and it will be a bag of bits
I see agri linc have a sumo/moore 8m in , don't think finance manager will ok that though are they the same principle ?

Versadrill similar design but front legs take huge amount of pulling when engaged

 

[Clive]

Story so far
2nd season with the sumo DTS over 400h and so far so good. Soils are variable but hard on wearing parts and stones are a prominent feature from fist size to football plus . I have to budget on 2 sets of front legs per season.
Rotation is
Wheat beans wheat winter barley osr wheat naked oats . Straw from cereals and rape is baled and swapped for fym and applied on a 3 yr rotation .
No bg but bromes are a problem I seem to have inherited (only my 2nd year as manager ) but I’m hoping the beans and osr give me a decent chance to reduce the brome problem . This land does respond well to hybrid winter barley and historically has often produced the highest margin and early osr entry so don’t want to drop it.
Current tackle is carrier drill rolls
I’m not looking to replace the dts but add a drill with less disturbance, bean stubbles this year we’re crying out for a dd solution.
Now bearing in mind the uncertainty looming and the fact I have a finance manager and very strict budgets to adhere to new drills are off the menu .

Any thoughts ?
I would love for the dts to have a removable drilling element so I could swap to the dd toolbar when required?

convert a Horsch CO to low disturbance like I did for our second drill ?

 

[Fish]

If you have stones of a certain size, the Moore will be a no go,

 

[jonnieboy]

convert a Horsch CO to low disturbance like I did for our second drill ?

I sort of knew I was going to have to read all that thread

 

[jonnieboy]

Have you drilled any wheat with the pimped CO @Clive I am slightly worried that any late drilled wheats might not fill out enough in the wider rows had a similar problem with the DTS last year with some land we didn't get the nod to drill till November ?

 

[Clive]

Have you drilled any wheat with the pimped CO @Clive I am slightly worried that any late drilled wheats might not fill out enough in the wider rows had a similar problem with the DTS last year with some land we didn't get the nod to drill till November ?

I don’t think the wider rows are an issue but no experience of wide rows drilled as late as November

 

[TeaBread]

Moores needs bolts tightened often when seeding in Cotswolds brash as rattle undone at 10kmph tho seems okay at 7kmph. Small stones.

 

[TeaBread]

Moores unidrill. Use any money saved for slug pellets?

 

[TeaBread]

No till

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

No till

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What was the previous crop? Had the stubbles been worked?

 

[TeaBread]

Winter oat (and blackgrass ) cover crop just sprayed off just before spring barley. No tillage prior, just rolled post drilling.
Tried to stack both pictures but it didn't work sorry.

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

Winter oat (and blackgrass ) cover crop just sprayed off just before spring barley. No tillage prior, just rolled post drilling.
Tried to stack both pictures but it didn't work sorry.

Thanks for the reply, don't the rear press wheels do a decent job of consolidation without the need to roll?