Next Tory leader

[Walterp]

Have you had too much falling down water ?
We will not lose 45% of our exports overnight, if we have a so called hard brexit then we will just trade on WTO rules, everything we currently sell has to pass safety and conforminity rules so they will still be saleable into the eu, yes some will have tariffs but with the currency down they will still be cheaper in the eu than 2016, whereas all our imports will be dearer plus the tariffs so much harder for them to impot here and dont forget large numbers of people in the eu rely on our exports for jobs, IE the firms that sell and service them .

So the germans will lose a bit of trade which they can "easily" get back well why dont they sell more to those markets now yet we wont be able to sell our lost exports

AS for the morning after pill you cant even get it in many eu countries and the price is totally different in different countries..

The UK doesn't actually belong to the WTO, doesn't have an idea whether we may trade under their auspices, and would take forever to agree its own trade schedules - it's a right wing fantasy, I'm afraid.

The acid test of this fantasy is that services, our big speciality, are WTO-excluded.

That's one reason why Theresa May has caved in today.

Reality is, finally, coming to town.

 

[rob1]

ountries and their trading preferences.

This leads to the obvious conclusion: a developed country such as the UK, if it wants to increase the manufacture of goods, has to find hi-tech areas in which it has an advantage over Eastern competitors and should increase its general level of both production and exports.

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You do realise that many of the big manufacturing eastern economies are THE hi tech ones producing the most modern up to date stuff? China etc may be cheap and often low tech crap but SK etc most certainly are not low tech nor cheap often

 

[rob1]

The UK doesn't actually belong to the WTO, doesn't have an idea whether we may trade under their auspices, and would take forver to agree its own trade schedules - it's a right wing fantasy, I'm afraid.

That's one reason why Theresa May has caved in today.

Reality is, finally, coming to town.

More bulls**t walt, the UK and every single member of the eu are full members of the wto individually as well as members via the eu , just look it up

 

[Hindsight]

The UK doesn't actually belong to the WTO, doesn't have an idea whether we may trade under their auspices, and would take forever to agree its own trade schedules - it's a right wing fantasy, I'm afraid. The acid test of this fantasy is that services, our big speciality, are excluded.

That's one reason why Theresa May has caved in today.

Reality is, finally, coming to town.

What did she do today to cave in? Interesting thread. As I often say I am in the back hoping the pilots know how to land the plane. Am gripping the seat handles at the moment but am reassured by DD (brexit bulldog) there will be plenty of cash in the Treasury to pay for everything.

 

[Walterp]

More bullpoo walt, the UK and every single member of the eu are full members of the wto individually as well as members via the eu , just look it up

That is not what the WTO have said, I'm afraid.

More right wing fantasy.

Please keep it coming.

 

[Walterp]

What did she do today to cave in?

No Hard Brexit.

I wonder what size chisel Mr Hammond and his supporters (who are now emboldened by the fear of losing their jobs) had to use to get her to declare this?

It's telling that Conservative MPs are motivated now, when they can see their power and position slipping away, but didn't care to act earlier even though the actuality of our position hasn't altered.

They are behind the (Great Gatsby) curve....

 

[Ashtree]

Have you had too much falling down water ?
We will not lose 45% of our exports overnight, if we have a so called hard brexit then we will just trade on WTO rules, everything we currently sell has to pass safety and conforminity rules so they will still be saleable into the eu, yes some will have tariffs but with the currency down they will still be cheaper in the eu than 2016, whereas all our imports will be dearer plus the tariffs so much harder for them to impot here and dont forget large numbers of people in the eu rely on our exports for jobs, IE the firms that sell and service them .

So the germans will lose a bit of trade which they can "easily" get back well why dont they sell more to those markets now yet we wont be able to sell our lost exports

AS for the morning after pill you cant even get it in many eu countries and the price is totally different in different countries..

Businesses who actually employ people, export stuff, create wealth and generate tax income for HMG clearly do not want a hard landing. One presumes because it will not turn out well for them or their employees.
Firms Facing ‘Cliff-Edge’ Pressure May on Brexit Transition Deal
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...f-edge-pressure-may-on-brexit-transition-deal

On the other side of the equation German businesses and employers whilst unhappy about the potential negative impact on them of a no deal Brexit have made it crystal clear that the cohesion of the EU is far more important to them than what they stand to lose in a no deal Brexit!

Then there's the Japanese using UK as their gateway to the EU. Not happy at all. Nissan and Toyota have made that crystal clear also.

 

[Hindsight]

No Hard Brexit.

I wonder what size chisel Mr Hammond and his supporters (who are now emboldened by the fear of losing their jobs) had to use to get her to declare this?


Thanks for that - I will have a look at the news to see what is said. If she has said no hard brexit then is the Tory Party going to implode as I thought that a lot wanted total out - bit like some on this thread. I know there is a lot of posturing and some time before we land but in the back of the plane I hope we soon get an idea of the landing strip.

Back to the earlier comments on this thread - I presume Germany having absorbed East Germany and formed its DM replacement the euro can absorb the loss of UK contributions on behalf of EU to keep the ship sailing. Not sure about developing a dynamic manufacturing economy. All I see about me are folk getting older and in retirement with care homes. Hey ho.

 

[Hindsight]

No Hard Brexit.

I wonder what size chisel Mr Hammond and his supporters (who are now emboldened by the fear of losing their jobs) had to use to get her to declare this?

Thanks for that - I will have a look at the news to see what is said. If she has said no hard brexit then is the Tory Party going to implode as I thought that a lot wanted total out - bit like some on this thread. I know there is a lot of posturing and some time before we land but in the back of the plane I hope we soon get an idea of the landing strip.
Back to the earlier comments on this thread - I presume Germany having absorbed East Germany and formed its DM replacement the euro can absorb the loss of UK contributions on behalf of EU to keep the ship sailing. Not sure about developing a dynamic manufacturing economy. All I see about me are folk getting older and in retirement with care homes. Hey ho.

 

[holywell farmer]

Whoever is the next leader has mountine to climb

 

[rob1]

That is not what the WTO have said, I'm afraid.

More right wing fantasy.

Please keep it coming.

Have a look here walt, https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org6_e.htm
Just google it and you will see that the uk and all eu countries are FULL members in their own right and dual members as part of the EU.
If you can show me any official source that says they arent

You are in a dream world these days.

 

[Walterp]

Have a look here walt, https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org6_e.htm
Just google it and you will see that the uk and all eu countries are FULL members in their own right and dual members as part of the EU.
If you can show me any official source that says they arent

You are in a dream world these days.

I know that Brexiters hate complexity...

But the actuality is that the UK's membership is bundled up within the EU's membership, which leads to the problem over goods.

The other problem is that it don't cover services, our speciality subject.

 

[rob1]

I know that Brexiters hate complexity...

But the actuality is that the UK's membership is bundled up within the EU's membership, which leads to the problem over goods.

The other problem is that it don't cover services, our speciality subject.

So you now accept we are members in our own right, of course its complex and yes trade quotas will need to be aportioned and yes i know that services arent included as they usually arent in any trade deals

 

[dstudent]

The UK doesn't actually belong to the WTO, doesn't have an idea whether we may trade under their auspices, and would take forever to agree its own trade schedules - it's a right wing fantasy, I'm afraid.

The acid test of this fantasy is that services, our big speciality, are WTO-excluded.

That's one reason why Theresa May has caved in today.

Reality is, finally, coming to town.

That is not the case WTO covers both goods and services. You keep on repeating the same thing over different threads but you are wrong, further the UK is the original 1947 GATT member predecessor of WTO, that agreement still stands and it s incorporated within its newer reincarnation the WTO.
Don t get me wrong here I abhor the WTO, I MF and WB, who just do the bidding of multinationals, pushing neoliberal, freemarket capitalist systems, usually to the detriment of poor countries.

 

[caveman]

That is not the case WTO covers both goods and services. You keep on repeating the same thing over different threads but you are wrong, further the UK is the original 1947 GATT member predecessor of WTO, that agreement still stands and it s incorporated within its newer reincarnation the WTO.
Don t get me wrong here I abhor the WTO, I MF and WB, who just do the bidding of multinationals, pushing neoliberal, freemarket capitalist systems, usually to the detriment of poor countries.

I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum has actually been held in Walt's neck of the woods and whether or not he has heard that "project fear" has been cast into the dustbin of history?

 

[RobFZS]

That is not what the WTO have said, I'm afraid.

More right wing fantasy.

Please keep it coming.

What point are you actually making here @Walterp , you always seem to misquote things to suite your shithouse agenda, usually because you only read pro remain rags.

We are a member of the WTO, but the EU speaks for us, Fox has gone over to secure our own schedules, not sure why you're doing your usual and over complicating this

Dunno why i bother to reply to you with my superior knowledge either as you soon f**k off when you've been had

 

[RobFZS]

No Hard Brexit.

I wonder what size chisel Mr Hammond and his supporters (who are now emboldened by the fear of losing their jobs) had to use to get her to declare this?

It's telling that Conservative MPs are motivated now, when they can see their power and position slipping away, but didn't care to act earlier even though the actuality of our position hasn't altered.

They are behind the (Great Gatsby) curve....

Hard brexit was never going to occur if you paid attention to the lancaster house speech, The words "deep and special relationship" are her words and they are not chosen at random. A deep and special relationship requires an extensive agreement but hey, we're still leaving the Eu, and we will be leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

I'll wait for you to catch up on non tarrif barriers next week so you can act asif you're an expert on it all again....

 

[holywell farmer]

Hard brexit was never going to occur if you paid attention to the lancaster house speech, The words "deep and special relationship" are her words and they are not chosen at random. A deep and special relationship requires an extensive agreement but hey, we're still leaving the Eu, and we will be leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

I'll wait for you to catch up on non tarrif barriers next week so you can act asif you're an expert on it all again....

Well if Rees mog makes final 2 in membership ballot he could win

 

[Ashtree]

Hard brexit was never going to occur if you paid attention to the lancaster house speech, The words "deep and special relationship" are her words and they are not chosen at random. A deep and special relationship requires an extensive agreement but hey, we're still leaving the Eu, and we will be leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

I'll wait for you to catch up on non tarrif barriers next week so you can act asif you're an expert on it all again....

Her "deep and special relationship" mantra has been filed in the archive folder right next to "strong and stable" mantra. There is another mantra in there from a slightly previous time called "Brexit means Brexit".

The immortal words "they need us more than we need them", is valiantly trying get in there as well!

Followed of course by "we got our country back"

Regards

 

[RobFZS]

Her "deep and special relationship" mantra has been filed in the archive folder right next to "strong and stable" mantra. There is another mantra in there from a slightly previous time called "Brexit means Brexit".

The immortal words "they need us more than we need them", is valiantly trying get in there as well!

Followed of course by "we got our country back"

Regards

you need to have a word with Walter then as he thinks she's on for a softer brexit

the later, can you blame them?