NFU and No Deal

[Hfd Cattle]

Well if beef farming is so bad in the UK
You could sell that overpriced Devon land
and relocate to Mato Grosso in Brazil
What's not to like?
Oh
(and that is a genuine question)

Now now boys ...calm down ....we are all init together!!! We just might think differently !!

 

[Cowabunga]

Well if beef farming is so bad in the UK
You could sell that overpriced Devon land
and relocate to Mato Grosso in Brazil
What's not to like?
Oh
(and that is a genuine question)

Brazil and Argentina, either or both, I'm not sure, has a massive massive beef surplus over their traditional volume in the pipeline, due to the extraordinary increase in the use of sexed semen in their dairy industries. Many large dairy farms have switched to exclusively using sexed on all cows, which means that they probably double the number of beef calves born. This will be an issue throughout the industry shortly. So that is something to be very aware of when considering any future trade deals outside the EU and their effect on our prospects.

 

[lloyd]

Brazil and Argentina, either or both, I'm not sure, has a massive massive beef surplus over their traditional volume in the pipeline, due to the extraordinary increase in the use of sexed semen in their dairy industries. Many large dairy farms have switched to exclusively using sexed on all cows, which means that they probably double the number of beef calves born. This will be an issue throughout the industry shortly. So that is something to be very aware of when considering any future trade deals outside the EU and their effect on our prospects.

Yep but the middle east imports of Brazillian beef rise again and Brazil
has now lifted the suspension of beef exports to China.
Don't forget they're lagging a bit on the global warming issue so you'd
Still be able to make some nice cattle paddocks!

 

[An Gof]

Another vegan push on the BBC this morning !

Coincided with a text from Kepac telling me that the finished beef price is DOWN 12p/kg this week
Beginning to wonder why I bother. Another batch of 40 reared calves due in at end of month ....... bet their price hasn’t fallen.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Coincided with a text from Kepac telling me that the finished beef price is DOWN 12p/kg this week
Beginning to wonder why I bother. Another batch of 40 reared calves due in at end of month ....... bet their price hasn’t fallen.

No of course not ...thing like rising costs of production will be mentioned and you will be expected to agree with all that is said !!
I'm seriously beginning to wonder where it's all going to end .
I did spot some calves on SML down your way which if I had been closer I might have had a bit of a look at . They seemed reasonable money but on the other hand who knows what is reasonable money these days !

 

[An Gof]

No of course not ...thing like rising costs of production will be mentioned and you will be expected to agree with all that is said !!
I'm seriously beginning to wonder where it's all going to end .
I did spot some calves on SML down your way which if I had been closer I might have had a bit of a look at . They seemed reasonable money but on the other hand who knows what is reasonable money these days !

Yes, yes, yes i agree and understand only too well about the rising cost of production ............................. it's my margin that i can't get my head around

 

[Austin7]

How can the NFU saying " we will keep fighting against No Deal " be in any way controversial. It can only be because of the NFU’s feeble response to the whole sorry Brexit saga. The NFU is allowing too many of its’ members to stumble ignorantly into a repeat of the “Great Betrayal”, the repeal in 1921 of the 1920 Agriculture Act. Within little more than ten years of the Repeal a large part of Essex tumbled down into weeds and brambles. For most of the last 100 years farmers have denied any part in this agricultural catastrophe but in fact at the time many farmers supported the Repeal. They were fed up with a system which they thought a straightjacket, which denied them the ability to operate in the world marketplace. Repeal came with “a sigh of relief”. Happiness was short lived, within six months those same farmers desperately welcomed an emergency £3 per acre wheat subsidy.

Too many of today’s farmers are intoxicated with not just Brexit but a “No Deal” Brexit. I had one sitting in my office last week propounding the benefits of WTO as if the Daily Telegraph was a religious text. It goes without saying he knew next to nothing of the workings of WTO’s Agreement on Agriculture (AoA), Green Boxes, Amber and Blue Boxes, the Aggregate Measure of Support (AMS), all were a mystery to this farmer who was still unshakably sure he knew what the WTO represented. It is easy to hold an opinion if you studiously avoid the facts.

The result of the NFU running scared of its Brexiteer members is that a serious but surmountable problem is being allowed to tumble into a catastrophe. Post Brexit the UK government will turn to the USA for a trade deal. Much has been made of chlorinated chicken and hormone beef but by far the most dangerous issue is the USA’s expert manipulation of WTO rules. On top of the $19 billion of trade distorting WTO support ( AMS ) they will wriggle through nearly as much again to line their farmers’ pockets. Brexiteer farmers would do well to consider what level of AMS is being proposed in the Agriculture Bill for UK farmers. The answer is £ zero. Any US trade deal will expose us to subsidised US exports legitimised by WTO.

It is not just “No Deal” imports that are coming to get us, the affect on Exports are even worse, don’t take my word our Minster Robert Goodwill wrote to me as follows:

“The UK Government cannot control what tariffs the EU chooses to charge on UK exports. In the absence of a trade agreement or other preferential arrangement, and consistent with WTO rules, the expectation is that UK products would be subject to EU MFN tariffs. We anticipate that the application of these tariffs would have substantial negative impacts across the food and farming sector. This is just one reason why we continue to work to avoid a no deal outcome.”

For the Brexiteer Farmers who avoid the detail reality of “No Deal” substantial negative impacts means simply we are stuffed.

 

[jendan]

How can the NFU saying " we will keep fighting against No Deal " be in any way controversial. It can only be because of the NFU’s feeble response to the whole sorry Brexit saga. The NFU is allowing too many of its’ members to stumble ignorantly into a repeat of the “Great Betrayal”, the repeal in 1921 of the 1920 Agriculture Act. Within little more than ten years of the Repeal a large part of Essex tumbled down into weeds and brambles. For most of the last 100 years farmers have denied any part in this agricultural catastrophe but in fact at the time many farmers supported the Repeal. They were fed up with a system which they thought a straightjacket, which denied them the ability to operate in the world marketplace. Repeal came with “a sigh of relief”. Happiness was short lived, within six months those same farmers desperately welcomed an emergency £3 per acre wheat subsidy.

Too many of today’s farmers are intoxicated with not just Brexit but a “No Deal” Brexit. I had one sitting in my office last week propounding the benefits of WTO as if the Daily Telegraph was a religious text. It goes without saying he knew next to nothing of the workings of WTO’s Agreement on Agriculture (AoA), Green Boxes, Amber and Blue Boxes, the Aggregate Measure of Support (AMS), all were a mystery to this farmer who was still unshakably sure he knew what the WTO represented. It is easy to hold an opinion if you studiously avoid the facts.

The result of the NFU running scared of its Brexiteer members is that a serious but surmountable problem is being allowed to tumble into a catastrophe. Post Brexit the UK government will turn to the USA for a trade deal. Much has been made of chlorinated chicken and hormone beef but by far the most dangerous issue is the USA’s expert manipulation of WTO rules. On top of the $19 billion of trade distorting WTO support ( AMS ) they will wriggle through nearly as much again to line their farmers’ pockets. Brexiteer farmers would do well to consider what level of AMS is being proposed in the Agriculture Bill for UK farmers. The answer is £ zero. Any US trade deal will expose us to subsidised US exports legitimised by WTO.

It is not just “No Deal” imports that are coming to get us, the affect on Exports are even worse, don’t take my word our Minster Robert Goodwill wrote to me as follows:

“The UK Government cannot control what tariffs the EU chooses to charge on UK exports. In the absence of a trade agreement or other preferential arrangement, and consistent with WTO rules, the expectation is that UK products would be subject to EU MFN tariffs. We anticipate that the application of these tariffs would have substantial negative impacts across the food and farming sector. This is just one reason why we continue to work to avoid a no deal outcome.”

For the Brexiteer Farmers who avoid the detail reality of “No Deal” substantial negative impacts means simply we are stuffed.

Good post! What is your line of work?

 

[Austin7]

Good post! What is your line of work?

A curious question, is it that unusual that a farmer takes an interest in the real world past the farm gate?

 

[Cowabunga]

A curious question, is it that unusual that a farmer takes an interest in the real world past the farm gate?

At times it does seem so.

 

[Werzle]

A curious question, is it that unusual that a farmer takes an interest in the real world past the farm gate?

No and we are not fools either.

 

[jendan]

A curious question, is it that unusual that a farmer takes an interest in the real world past the farm gate?

Not unusual at all.I guess i have become used to reading absolute nonsense from farmer brexiters on this forum about how good a no deal will be for us .You did say "in my office" which made me think you were perhaps a farmer and had another job.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Not unusual at all.I guess i have become used to reading absolute nonsense from farmer brexiters on this forum about how good a no deal will be for us .You did say "in my office" which made me think you were perhaps a farmer and had another job.

Everyone has a view and not all agree on it !

 

[jendan]

Everyone has a view and not all agree on it !

The evidence is now absolutely overwhelming that with a no deal,we will be completely stuffed!

 

[Tarw Coch]

The evidence is now absolutely overwhelming that with a no deal,we will be completely stuffed!

It wouldn’t be difficult to find someone to disagree with you though.

 

[lloyd]

How can the NFU saying " we will keep fighting against No Deal " be in any way controversial. It can only be because of the NFU’s feeble response to the whole sorry Brexit saga. The NFU is allowing too many of its’ members to stumble ignorantly into a repeat of the “Great Betrayal”, the repeal in 1921 of the 1920 Agriculture Act. Within little more than ten years of the Repeal a large part of Essex tumbled down into weeds and brambles. For most of the last 100 years farmers have denied any part in this agricultural catastrophe but in fact at the time many farmers supported the Repeal. They were fed up with a system which they thought a straightjacket, which denied them the ability to operate in the world marketplace. Repeal came with “a sigh of relief”. Happiness was short lived, within six months those same farmers desperately welcomed an emergency £3 per acre wheat subsidy.

Too many of today’s farmers are intoxicated with not just Brexit but a “No Deal” Brexit. I had one sitting in my office last week propounding the benefits of WTO as if the Daily Telegraph was a religious text. It goes without saying he knew next to nothing of the workings of WTO’s Agreement on Agriculture (AoA), Green Boxes, Amber and Blue Boxes, the Aggregate Measure of Support (AMS), all were a mystery to this farmer who was still unshakably sure he knew what the WTO represented. It is easy to hold an opinion if you studiously avoid the facts.

The result of the NFU running scared of its Brexiteer members is that a serious but surmountable problem is being allowed to tumble into a catastrophe. Post Brexit the UK government will turn to the USA for a trade deal. Much has been made of chlorinated chicken and hormone beef but by far the most dangerous issue is the USA’s expert manipulation of WTO rules. On top of the $19 billion of trade distorting WTO support ( AMS ) they will wriggle through nearly as much again to line their farmers’ pockets. Brexiteer farmers would do well to consider what level of AMS is being proposed in the Agriculture Bill for UK farmers. The answer is £ zero. Any US trade deal will expose us to subsidised US exports legitimised by WTO.

It is not just “No Deal” imports that are coming to get us, the affect on Exports are even worse, don’t take my word our Minster Robert Goodwill wrote to me as follows:

“The UK Government cannot control what tariffs the EU chooses to charge on UK exports. In the absence of a trade agreement or other preferential arrangement, and consistent with WTO rules, the expectation is that UK products would be subject to EU MFN tariffs. We anticipate that the application of these tariffs would have substantial negative impacts across the food and farming sector. This is just one reason why we continue to work to avoid a no deal outcome.”

For the Brexiteer Farmers who avoid the detail reality of “No Deal” substantial negative impacts means simply we are stuffed.

Keep posting great knowledge

 

[Werzle]

Anti brexit propaganda will surge the closer we get to october , theyve tried all ways to stop it and its going to get very dirty from now on. Hold firm and dont let the b#stards grind you down. It will be worth it in the end.

 

[Cowabunga]

Anti brexit propaganda will surge the closer we get to october , theyve tried all ways to stop it and its going to get very dirty from now on. Hold firm and dont let the b#stards grind you down. It will be worth it in the end.

Really? In what way. Nobody seems to be able to explain just how it will be 'worth it' at any beginning, middle or end point or what time scale they place 'the end'. Preferring to keep repeating the same old mantra "it will be worth it in the end" even though they risk the break-up of the United Kingdom itself before 'the end'.

 

[lloyd]

Anti brexit propaganda will surge the closer we get to october , theyve tried all ways to stop it and its going to get very dirty from now on. Hold firm and dont let the b#stards grind you down. It will be worth it in the end.

Most businesses don't like the idea of No deal.

 

[Werzle]

Really? In what way. Nobody seems to be able to explain just how it will be 'worth it' at any beginning, middle or end point or what time scale they place 'the end'.

Aye and all the doom mongers think they know for certain its going to be awful. Wake up and grow some balls, waving the white flag like we are moving to another planet rather than just resetting the rule book. If leaving the eu is so awful sod off over there , its not going to be any further away than it is now. We would be 3 months into it already if democracy hadnt been denied and getting bloody on with it rather than killing the job slowly with uncertainty