NH 8360 wiring loom

[Half Pipe]

Our 8360 range command had part of the main wiring loom rubbed through and melted some wires together just as it goes to front of the cab under the floor, it needed 15 wires repaired, i thought i had done a good job but now don't seem to be getting any power to the side cab controls, no PTO, pto brake, 4wd, diff lock or linkage controls.
Range command screen does it's test when power on ignition, then goes blank.
Brake, side + indicator lights work ok.
Any common component that could of been damaged?
Or common power feed wire.
Dash shows engine speed, battery voltage etc ok, just no PTO speed even tho it's spinning without pto brake being applied.
@Cowabunga

 

[Cowabunga]

Sorry, don’t know and I’m in shock. Had a bill for sending injector pump and injectors [why injectors, she was running smoke free] to be reconditioned. I’d driven the 8360 to dealer and drove it back. How much labour to do that do you think?

Injectors 6 times £104.50 each
Pump overhaul £742
Gasket £92.80

Labour….. wait for it...
£1110 Plus VAT.
Total invoice £2591+VAT for a relatively simple job. If they are charging the going rate of say £60/hour, they took 18.5 labour hours to remove and reinstall pump and injectors [why injectors again?] and reinstall and test.

WTF!!! I’m in shock.

Maybe I’m out of touch and getting old? Sorry for the rant but I had a bill yesterday which was bad enough with £630 labour which was credited this morning and replaced with the £1110 charge.

Sorry for the rant and subject deviation again. I hope that someone can help you with the loom and subsequent faults.

 

[del_boy]

@Combine Rescue might be able to shed some light. You mightve goosed a controller when the wires shorted together.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Sorry, don’t know and I’m in shock. Had a bill for sending injector pump and injectors [why injectors, she was running smoke free] to be reconditioned. I’d driven the 8360 to dealer and drove it back. How much labour to do that do you think?

Injectors 6 times £104.50 each
Pump overhaul £742
Gasket £92.80

Labour….. wait for it...
£1110 Plus VAT.
Total invoice £2591+VAT for a relatively simple job. If they are charging the going rate of say £60/hour, they took 18.5 labour hours to remove and reinstall pump and injectors [why injectors again?] and reinstall and test.

WTF!!! I’m in shock.

Maybe I’m out of touch and getting old? Sorry for the rant but I had a bill yesterday which was bad enough with £630 labour which was credited this morning and replaced with the £1110 charge.

Sorry for the rant and subject deviation again. I hope that someone can help you with the loom and subsequent faults.

ive never done one before but to remove injector pump from my massey which involved removing fan and water pump and stuck injectors im sure i was no where near that time? is the nh hard to work on?

 

[Cowabunga]

ive never done one before but to remove injector pump from my massey which involved removing fan and water pump and stuck injectors im sure i was no where near that time? is the nh hard to work on?

It looks simple. Can’t imagine that it requires anything but a round plate unbolted and removed in front of the timing case that has plenty of room around both it and the injector pump.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

It looks simple. Can’t imagine that it requires anything but a round plate unbolted and removed in front of the timing case that has plenty of room around both it and the injector pump.

wish mine was that easy!

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Sorry, don’t know and I’m in shock. Had a bill for sending injector pump and injectors [why injectors, she was running smoke free] to be reconditioned. I’d driven the 8360 to dealer and drove it back. How much labour to do that do you think?

Injectors 6 times £104.50 each
Pump overhaul £742
Gasket £92.80

Labour….. wait for it...
£1110 Plus VAT.
Total invoice £2591+VAT for a relatively simple job. If they are charging the going rate of say £60/hour, they took 18.5 labour hours to remove and reinstall pump and injectors [why injectors again?] and reinstall and test.

WTF!!! I’m in shock.

Maybe I’m out of touch and getting old? Sorry for the rant but I had a bill yesterday which was bad enough with £630 labour which was credited this morning and replaced with the £1110 charge.

Sorry for the rant and subject deviation again. I hope that someone can help you with the loom and subsequent faults.

Injectors will make a world of difference to them Powerstars and the pump overhaul cost is not too bad considering but pump off them is about an hour job including alternator and tensioner off IIRC.

Injectors are not that bad either as they’re well pre DPFs etc so it’s not silly claustrophobic under the bonnet.

 

[Cowabunga]

Injectors will make a world of difference to them Powerstars and the pump overhaul cost is not too bad considering but pump off them is about an hour job including alternator and tensioner off IIRC.

Injectors are not that bad either as they’re well pre DPFs etc so it’s not silly claustrophobic under the bonnet.

I reckon 1 hour pump off
2 hours pump on
dyno before and after [if done] 1 hour
Injectors off and on, 3 hours so 7 hours total.
Add an hour for miscellaneous stuff, so 8 hours work in all.

Even at £80/hour that’s £640 total labour, which is about what the original invoice was for, which was cancelled by credit note next day.

There could be a genuine reason for it being nearly double [£1110] my educated guess, but the powers that be at the dealer have had my enquiry and they are looking into it.

What is the average labour rate for Welsh main dealers these days? It surely isn’t more than £80/hour? I’ll get official answers presently and before I pay.

 

[forblue]

Sorry, don’t know and I’m in shock. Had a bill for sending injector pump and injectors [why injectors, she was running smoke free] to be reconditioned. I’d driven the 8360 to dealer and drove it back. How much labour to do that do you think?

Injectors 6 times £104.50 each
Pump overhaul £742
Gasket £92.80

Labour….. wait for it...
£1110 Plus VAT.
Total invoice £2591+VAT for a relatively simple job. If they are charging the going rate of say £60/hour, they took 18.5 labour hours to remove and reinstall pump and injectors [why injectors again?] and reinstall and test.

WTF!!! I’m in shock.

Maybe I’m out of touch and getting old? Sorry for the rant but I had a bill yesterday which was bad enough with £630 labour which was credited this morning and replaced with the £1110 charge.

Sorry for the rant and subject deviation again. I hope that someone can help you with the loom and subsequent faults.

Phone a dealer out of your area, ask how long to do this job, i reckon 5hr at most and if you are only paying £60 hour that's cheap, also on your bill should be part num of gasket must have been made from gold leaf at that price if i remember it's only a small gasket.

 

[Cowabunga]

Phone a dealer out of your area, ask how long to do this job, i reckon 5hr at most and if you are only paying £60 hour that's cheap, also on your bill should be part num of gasket must have been made from gold leaf at that price if i remember it's only a small gasket.

Update. £60/hour as I originally thought, but 18 hours has been logged on it. They had trouble getting the injectors out apparently, and NH, the company, allow 12 hours for the job, which itself is way generous in my humble opinion.

 

[AlCapone]

Update. £60/hour as I originally thought, but 18 hours has been logged on it. They had trouble getting the injectors out apparently, and NH, the company, allow 12 hours for the job, which itself is way generous in my humble opinion.

You say engine was not smoking
What was problem then?
Are any other engines giving problems

 

[Cowabunga]

You say engine was not smoking
What was problem then?
Are any other engines giving problems

I presume it was the injector pump. No other engines giving problems. As yet I have had no dyno readout but someone did mention it was down to 100hp at the shaft. It honestly felt that there was less than that. At first it was just lack of power at boost [under load] at above 1400 revs but in the last few months it couldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding at any revs. We did investigate the pump excess fuel diaphragm early on [twice] and the tapered leg and pin that abuts it and they were fine and I even blew out the steel pipe connecting it to the inlet manifold. Also changed the fuel filters. To no avail.
For years it registered 140 at the shaft and was like that from the factory. The repairs have certainly improved it but since I have not been told or had the readout from a dyno, can’t say yet whether it’s back to like new. It now has just a hundred or so hours less than 10,000.