NH CSX 7060 vs TC 56

[Fragonard]

We have a CSX 7060 5 walker 20 foot vf head.
It always throws barley out. Always leaves green stripes, even with the chaff spreaders.
We tried every thing.
A neighbour has a 15foot tc56 with no rotary separator, he never throws out a grain.
Ground speed doesn't seem to make any difference.
How is this possible?
Don't know what way to set it up this year.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[3350turbo]

We have a CSX 7060 5 walker 20 foot vf head.
It always throws barley out. Always leaves green stripes, even with the chaff spreaders.
We tried every thing.
A neighbour has a 15foot tc56 with no rotary separator, he never throws out a grain.
Ground speed doesn't seem to make any difference.
How is this possible?
Don't know what way to set it up this year.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Think your csx puts returns into drum . No sure about Tc .Every newholland iv driven put it into sieves. But find 2 big a header on newholland and it throws it out sieves . I'm just on 17ft.

 

[Fragonard]

Think your csx puts returns into drum . No sure about Tc .Every newholland iv driven put it into sieves. But find 2 big a header on newholland and it throws it out sieves . I'm just on 17ft.

Think tc returns goes to drum also.

 

[sahara]

A couple of things spring to mind.
Are you both growing the same Barley variety?
How ripe is the crop really?
What are the internal bits I,e rasp bars etc like on your combine?
If the internal systems of both combines are the same, possibly copy his settings.
Get him to cut a bit of your crop for a true comparison.
More questions than answers I realise, but hope they help!

 

[Lincsman]

We have a CSX 7060 5 walker 20 foot vf head.
It always throws barley out. Always leaves green stripes, even with the chaff spreaders.
We tried every thing.
A neighbour has a 15foot tc56 with no rotary separator, he never throws out a grain.
Ground speed doesn't seem to make any difference.
How is this possible?
Don't know what way to set it up this year.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Google risers for the straw walkers.

 

[Two Tone]

Think your csx puts returns into drum . No sure about Tc .Every newholland iv driven put it into sieves. But find 2 big a header on newholland and it throws it out sieves . I'm just on 17ft.

It is a total myth that sending the returns back to the drum isn't as good as putting them through a separate re- thresher and back onto the sieves.
In fact the reverse is more likely!
Claas have always taken the returns back to the drum.

The reason why NH did it was because of their Self leveling grain shoe, making it very difficult to route the returns all the way back to the drum.
It all started with the TF ranges that also use a funnel on each side to catch the last grains extracted fro the outside of the TF rotor , combined with the returns and put them back on the sieves
Then they converted the TF's to a TX Walker Combine and used the same system to put the returns in the same place.
With a single rotor re-thresher (and paddles) on the smaller Combines, they immediately created a problem, because they could not be certain exactly where on the sieves they would land, rather then evenly across the whole width of the sieves.

Also, Rotor re-threshers are no where near as good at dealing with the returns as the drum is.
Returns going back to the drum hit the rasp bars before any crop entering from the header does. Then using the entire length of the grain pan before they hit the sieves put them into the ideal position, rather than spiting them out anywhere straight onto the full width of the sieves.

TC, CSX and the CX5&6 ranges send their returns back to the Drum.
The CX 7&8's and all CR's send their returns through a rotor re-thresher because they rely on their bigger drum /rotors to do a more efficient threshing process to create less returns.
However, particularly in Barley, this isn't always possible!

This is why Claas always stuck with sending their returns back to the drum.

 

[Fragonard]

We tried them, and had to take them off, they were showing down the straw and blocking the drums.

 

[Lincsman]

It is a total myth that sending the returns back to the drum isn't as good as putting them through a separate re- thresher and back onto the sieves.
In fact the reverse is more likely!
Claas have always taken the returns back to the drum.

The reason why NH did it was because of their Self leveling grain shoe, making it very difficult to route the returns all the way back to the drum.
It all started with the TF ranges that also use a funnel on each side to catch the last grains extracted fro the outside of the TF rotor , combined with the returns and put them back on the sieves
Then they converted the TF's to a TX Walker Combine and used the same system to put the returns in the same place.
With a single rotor re-thresher (and paddles) on the smaller Combines, they immediately created a problem, because they could not be certain exactly where on the sieves they would land, rather then evenly across the whole width of the sieves.

Also, Rotor re-threshers are no where near as good at dealing with the returns as the drum is.
Returns going back to the drum hit the rasp bars before any crop entering from the header does. Then using the entire length of the grain pan before they hit the sieves put them into the ideal position, rather than spiting them out anywhere straight onto the full width of the sieves.

TC, CSX and the CX5&6 ranges send their returns back to the Drum.
The CX 7&8's and all CR's send their returns through a rotor re-thresher because they rely on their bigger drum /rotors to do a more efficient threshing process to create less returns.
However, particularly in Barley, this isn't always possible!

This is why Claas always stuck with sending their returns back to the drum.

I disagree, getting the grain out of the straw is the hardest part of combining, why mix some of it back in once you have got it out, other than to save cost?

I would have loved a rotor thresher back in the days of Avalon Wheat to stop all those ear bits going back into the straw, the only way to get it to work was run de-awning plates and keep it tight and fast to thresh first time, straw on a dry day was dust really!

 

[Lincsman]

We tried them, and had to take them off, they were showing down the straw and blocking the drums.

Interesting, mine added 0.5 KPH to forward speed with less losses, but it is a CX with bigger drums, having said that they were on the TX 66 Previously

 

[Two Tone]

I disagree, getting the grain out of the straw is the hardest part of combining, why mix some of it back in once you have got it out, other than to save cost?

I would have loved a rotor thresher back in the days of Avalon Wheat to stop all those ear bits going back into the straw, the only way to get it to work was run de-awning plates and keep it tight and fast to thresh first time, straw on a dry day was dust really!

I think we may have had this argument before and will have to agree to disagree.

Interesting you mentioned Avalon, which was a bugger to stop the top three grains and chaff coming off in one go.
This was the time for me when I upgraded from a 1545 and a 1530 to an 8080. The 8080 having a rotor re-thresher was a far bigger disappointment in getting a nicer sample on Avalon!
I remember being very pee’d off when we had our first lorry load rejected at and returned, then having to put everything we had harvested of it so far over a dresser to try to clean it up.
The only way to try and clean it up on the Combine, was to half the recommended re-thresher distance to 5mm instead of 10. But it was never as good as it should have been.

God forbid you picked up any small stones, as they would keep going round and round the returns circuit, knackering the pegs of it.

This was all much to the amusement of our neighbour still using his 1550S, whose Avalon sample was perfect!

 

[sahara]

We had a 1550s, a 15 ft cut, a great machine, got us on the NH bus, sold it in 2003, went to Pakistan I believe, poor thing!

 

[Fragonard]

It doesn't seem to matter what speed the csx travels, it'll still looses grain, so in theory if we had a 10foot cut and double the speed it'd be more efficient. It's only a narrow drummed combine, so maybe the edges of the drum are being overloaded by the 20foot of crop.

 

[Two Tone]

It doesn't seem to matter what speed the csx travels, it'll still looses grain, so in theory if we had a 10foot cut and double the speed it'd be more efficient. It's only a narrow drummed combine, so maybe the edges of the drum are being overloaded by the 20foot of crop.

Your theory is fairly easy to prove.
Do a kill Stall. When everything is stopped, climb up the rear ladder and open the lid above the straw walkers.
Check to see how level the straw is above the walkers. It should be uniformly level completely across all the walkers.

If there is more in the middle than on the outside, remove a section of the bolt on auger fight from each side of the middle of the header auger.
If there is more on the outside of the walkers than the middle add a section to each side of the the middle of the header auger.

Once the straw elevator grabs the straw from the header, there is no way that it can move sideways enough to level itself out through the drum and everything else behind it.


Whilst you have done the kill stall, also look at the top sieve to see how that it loaded too.
There will be a slight arc, but the front 1/3 of the sieves should be completely clear of all material and the back 2/3rds will have an even distribution of material.
If not, adjust the fan speed accordingly.

 

[Donkey Oaty]

I acquired a CS660 last year which I believe would be similar to a CSX7060. Would anyone care to share concave and drum settings with me? I think that I maybe had things to tight and output and straw quality could be improved.

Thanks

 

[Two Tone]

I acquired a CS660 last year which I believe would be similar to a CSX7060. Would anyone care to share concave and drum settings with me? I think that I maybe had things to tight and output and straw quality could be improved.

Thanks

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The CX6.80 replaced the CX6080, which replaced the CSX 7060, which near enough replaced the CS660.
Most internals and drives are the same on them all.

Though many of the internals are almost the same as the TX ranges, there were some differences and rotation speed changes that meant the settings are often quite different to the TX settings.

For example, Concave settings are wider than on the TX.
If you try to use TX settings, they will often be too tight, straw quality will suffer and you will overload the sieves with broken straw, severely reducing capacity.

 

[Fragonard]

Any cure for sieves getting blocked?
Top sieve opened at approx 10mm
Fan at 750.
Thanks.

 

[H.B.F.C]

Try these settings=
Pre sieve 3/4 open
Fan speed 850 rpm
Top sieve 15mm
Bottom sieve 10mm

I always struggle to stop NH combines from throwing barley out the back, no trouble on wheat though

 

[Two Tone]

Try these settings=
Pre sieve 3/4 open
Fan speed 850 rpm
Top sieve 15mm
Bottom sieve 10mm

I always struggle to stop NH combines from throwing barley out the back, no trouble on wheat though

Spot on!

The trouble with Winter Barley is the volume of straw and if it if brackled, the fact that the ears don’t hit the drum ear-first. Therefore, a lot of trash goes over the sieves.
Are you absolutely sure that the Combine is throwing a lot of Barley over the back?
If the stubbles show Barley growing in rows behind the Combine, yet you have a chaff spreader, chances are that the loss was caused by the Header.
Don’t be fooled by the sieve loss monitor showing a high reading. This is due to the high volume of trash. Turn the sensitivity down.

If you have a verified header, use it to try to get more of the ears to hit the drum first.

 

[Fragonard]

I'll try them sieve settings .
I find when I extend the varifeed, the crop goes in, in lumps, not an even feed.
Thanks.

 

[Two Tone]

I'll try them sieve settings .
I find when I extend the varifeed, the crop goes in, in lumps, not an even feed.
Thanks.

You might only need to move the vari-feed to about 20cm. If it causes lumps, you have it too far forward.
This was often the case with Rape and the extended header attachment. It caused the drum to lump, because the knife was too far forward