Nicola Sturgeon
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Danllan
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That's one hell of a debt for a small, unsubsidised economy with an ever-shrinking, unhealthy workforce and a 'hard' border with what is overwhelmingly its biggest trading partner to take on...
£160,000,000,000
More than three times as much trade is done between Scotland and the rest of the UK than between Scotland and the EU. If it was daft, according to the SNP, for the UK to leave a union with which it did half its trade, it must be utterly insane for Scotland to leave a union with which it does >300% more... but, of course, this is a mere fact, and so can be ignored by the SNP for political reasons...
It costs the rest of the UK more than £150 billions to subsidise Scotland every decade; I think that is worth it, because I believe in the Union. If Scotland leaves the UK and is allowed to join the EU, it will immediately relieve the UK of that annual £15 billions, and immediately mean that the EU will have subsidise Scotland to the tune of more than double what the current biggest scrounger in the EU, Poland, gets. And this isn't even taking into account what Scotland will lose from having a hard border with the UK...
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A federal UK is the only way to save the union.
surely the EU would not admit Scotland with numbers like that behind them ?
there are economic tests to gain admission
Danllan
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@capfits @Nithsdale Farmer what's funny? Please tell us which figure I gave that is not correct.
You are right, in theory, but they would probably 'break international law' - again - by bending the rules. Of course, Spain would veto it, if allowed... great club that.
Danllan
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Please explain the benefits, I am open to such a suggestion if it makes overall sense.
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I think it will allow the 4 nations to have real control over their own finances, and spending while keeping the union together.
If federalism was on the table, I believe independence support would fade to 20 to 30 per cent.
If federalism was on the table, I believe independence support would fade to 20 to 30 per cent.
Don't you say there was no such thing
Danllan
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Exactly, it only magically appears when we do it, it's not there when they do.
Perhaps, maybe Boris will suggest it next year, who knows? But what is the virtue of a 'federation' that will sell it to the rest of the UK? What is there in it that will see it endure, for at least as long as the Union has, rather that be a spring-board to ultimate separation?
I dearly love the Union and do not want to see it broken to become, what?, the 'Federal Kingdom? I am still to hear from any separatist - including the SNP leadership - who can tell me why it was not good, sensible, viable etc. for the UK to leave the EU, but it is for Scotland to leave the UK when all of the arguments, financial, social, trade etc., are an order of magnitude stronger. They just won't reply to this...
Danllan
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Who is he?
Danllan
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Are you that bad?
My ex wife told everybody I was and then said I was a pansy for wanting to be divorced from her, thought she would be happy to get shot of me and pocket best part of 400 grand in the process, strange creatures women
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I don't believe so, she is certainly married to a man and has sadly had a miscarriage
A VERY different level of ability and skillset, Merkel would walk all over her.
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