Nicola Sturgeon

manhill

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£160,000,000,000
That's what I guesed, peanuts! Now, let's calculate on top of that the increase in public service jobs that will have to be paid for as services are duplicated, then of course there's gold plated pensions to be paid for. A useful subject to be taught in Scottish schools will be how to live above your means and how to survive in a collapsed economy.
 

capfits

Member
That's what I guesed, peanuts! Now, let's calculate on top of that the increase in public service jobs that will have to be paid for as services are duplicated, then of course there's gold plated pensions to be paid for. A useful subject to be taught in Scottish schools will be how to live above your means and how to survive in a collapsed economy.
Why stop at Scottish schools?
Think @Danllan mentioned it as Scotland share of UK debt. Surely as apt for schools in oh London or Lincolnshire as Lanarkshire.
All without a hint of irony on his part which was laughable :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Shadwell, what a deep thinker and no wonder he would be fit to be a Tory prime minister.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Why stop at Scottish schools?
Think @Danllan mentioned it as Scotland share of UK debt. Surely as apt for schools in oh London or Lincolnshire as Lanarkshire.
All without a hint of irony on his part which was laughable :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Shadwell, what a deep thinker and no wonder he would be fit to be a Tory prime minister.
Yes, all schools should teach economics to a fair level. I still haven't read on refuting of the figures I gave or the argument - the SNP's own, for an irony - that I put forward; if they were telling the truth and being entirely honest in their arguments during the Brexit campaign then, and by their own measures, Scottish independence is madness...
 

Ashtree

Member
Having just watched the latest season of The Crown, I cannot for the life of me comprehend why Sturgeon, doesn’t slam a stake in the ground, by seizing Balmoral Estate for the Scottish people. Strike a blow for Scotland and simultaneously evict that collection of “cases”, forever from the great Scottish nation!
Edinburgh is the natural home and rightful seat power for Scotland.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
I think it will allow the 4 nations to have real control over their own finances, and spending while keeping the union together.
If federalism was on the table, I believe independence support would fade to 20 to 30 per cent.
Following your earlier post, and in an effort to constructively avoid doing the VAT, I have been refreshing my knowledge of the constitutional law surrounding federal states within the Commonwealth.

I've come to the conclusion that the Canadian model could well work here too, the Australian system differs in a few ways and could also work, but probably not as well. The Canadian Act for constitution describes a Federal Constitutional Monarchy, as opposed to the simple Constitutional Monarchy we have here in the UK. I am a republican, but principally a democrat, so could get along with a system working along Canadian lines. It's and interesting idea which I haven't given more than passing consideration to in the past.

Having also looked at a lot of data from recent and historical polls in Scotland, I am minded that were there to be a Federal option on a voting paper, the SNP's ideal - of sovereign independence - could see even less than your lower estimate of 20%, certainly nothing anyway near approaching a majority. Becoming a federal state within the United Kingdom would, effectively, offer all but one of the things that the SNP want with the perceived advantages it seeks, and would present none of the risks and disadvantages that would be most likely with full independence. We shall see...
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Probably a good thing tbh, a private life should not be used for media tittle tattle...
I agree with that in general, but I would add two caveats:

1) Their private life shouldn't adversely affect their ability to fulfill their public role;

2) They mustn't be hypocrites, e.g. they should not publicly criticise drug use while taking drugs in private.

Those aside, I don't think that anything someone does in private, legally, is anyone else's business.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Probably a good thing tbh, a private life should not be used for media tittle tattle.
Everyone knew Kennedy was a drinker.
I totally agree provided it does not affect decision making or security, both of which are possible. Skeletons in the cupboard are not usually a good thing but openness is far less likely to attract blackmailers.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Having just watched the latest season of The Crown, I cannot for the life of me comprehend why Sturgeon, doesn’t slam a stake in the ground, by seizing Balmoral Estate for the Scottish people. Strike a blow for Scotland and simultaneously evict that collection of “cases”, forever from the great Scottish nation!
Edinburgh is the natural home and rightful seat power for Scotland.

Perhaps because the Royal Family are Scotland's first and England and Wales's second ?
 

Oldmacdonald

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Scotland
Following your earlier post, and in an effort to constructively avoid doing the VAT, I have been refreshing my knowledge of the constitutional law surrounding federal states within the Commonwealth.

I've come to the conclusion that the Canadian model could well work here too, the Australian system differs in a few ways and could also work, but probably not as well. The Canadian Act for constitution describes a Federal Constitutional Monarchy, as opposed to the simple Constitutional Monarchy we have here in the UK. I am a republican, but principally a democrat, so could get along with a system working along Canadian lines. It's and interesting idea which I haven't given more than passing consideration to in the past.

Having also looked at a lot of data from recent and historical polls in Scotland, I am minded that were there to be a Federal option on a voting paper, the SNP's ideal - of sovereign independence - could see even less than your lower estimate of 20%, certainly nothing anyway near approaching a majority. Becoming a federal state within the United Kingdom would, effectively, offer all but one of the things that the SNP want with the perceived advantages it seeks, and would present none of the risks and disadvantages that would be most likely with full independence. We shall see...

It just needs a PM brave enough.
 

Agrivator

Member
Being unable to share in the massive prosperity which London brings to the whole of the UK, an Independent Scotland would be financially bankrupt.

Scotland has a inordinate public sector (who don't actually make income tax or Nat Ins contributions), a high proportion of work-shy folk, and vast sparsely-populated areas and numerous Islands which are very expensive to service.

The relatively small private sector just cannot be expected to carry the rest of the country. And the irony is that the vast public sector try to make life for the private sector as difficult as possible.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Having just watched the latest season of The Crown, I cannot for the life of me comprehend why Sturgeon, doesn’t slam a stake in the ground, by seizing Balmoral Estate for the Scottish people. Strike a blow for Scotland and simultaneously evict that collection of “cases”, forever from the great Scottish nation!
Edinburgh is the natural home and rightful seat power for Scotland.
Because she's another globalist tw@!. She has no interest in whatever the hell she is up to. She is a plant and a poor one. She has probably been put there to make sure there is no Indyref 2. Look at her. She is hopeless and Scotland is falling apart under her rule. Would be funny if people weren't suffering from this bunch of cretins attempt to run a place. Education in Scotland now is about third world. Life expectancy is ridiculous in places like Glasgow. 71 or so for men. Absolutely not fit for purpose. Why a proud nation would have a small mouthed gimp as their leader is beyond me.
 

capfits

Member
Because she's another globalist tw@!. She has no interest in whatever the hell she is up to. She is a plant and a poor one. She has probably been put there to make sure there is no Indyref 2. Look at her. She is hopeless and Scotland is falling apart under her rule. Would be funny if people weren't suffering from this bunch of cretins attempt to run a place. Education in Scotland now is about third world. Life expectancy is ridiculous in places like Glasgow. 71 or so for men. Absolutely not fit for purpose. Why a proud nation would have a small mouthed gimp as their leader is beyond me.
Hey @Pasty you are a funny one ain't you?
That 71 you quote is the greater Glasgow average. It is as low as 60 for males in certain areas of Glasgow, which is truly shocking.
But hey each and everyone of those poor sods that die were born under a UK government, so hardly fair to blame a 20 year old institution.
Indeed if the Scottish government had the powers for the likes of shooting up rooms then the death rate and consequently life expectancy may increase. The minimum pricing policy has reduced deaths from alcohol related disease, but yet on average every adult in Scotland consumes equivalent of 19 units of alcohol per week.
Now on to education, something that may serve you well, well bugger me If Glasgow is UK University of the year and what is the fees again oh aye nada, nothing.
And let us not start on oh prescription fees, state of the roads etc
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Hey @Pasty you are a funny one ain't you?
That 71 you quote is the greater Glasgow average. It is as low as 60 for males in certain areas of Glasgow, which is truly shocking.
But hey each and everyone of those poor sods that die were born under a UK government, so hardly fair to blame a 20 year old institution.
Indeed if the Scottish government had the powers for the likes of shooting up rooms then the death rate and consequently life expectancy may increase. The minimum pricing policy has reduced deaths from alcohol related disease, but yet on average every adult in Scotland consumes equivalent of 19 units of alcohol per week.
Now on to education, something that may serve you well, well bugger me If Glasgow is UK University of the year and what is the fees again oh aye nada, nothing.
And let us not start on oh prescription fees, state of the roads etc
You want to see the state of the roads in Devon buddy. We're probably not as far from Westminster as you quite but it's shocking.

Way I see it is if Scots want indy then go for it and I wish you all the best. I'm too old to worry about all this nation BS. Us English have enough people hating us just for being us as it is and remember we don't all exist in the center of London or get any more say in the rules than Scots, NI or Welsh. In fact probably less.

All that said, I think the SNP have done an appalling job. Westminster have too. They are a bunch of morons.

What I would suggest is that people seriously start finding their own way and getting out of the fiscal systems that exist. While we are still free and I count the English in that as well.
 

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