Nitrogen 3rd pass

mountfarm

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What’s everybody doing? Our milling winter wheats were planted mid October to mid November and so far had 165kg N. We are due another 80kg (liquid) to go for group 1 spec but whilst the calendar says go the crops I think are a month behind due to the dry spell. N2 went on a month ago but it’s not been utilised fully yet although the 5mm we’ve had over the last few days and tomorrow’s deluge will start that process.
I’m just thinking should we get it on now because if it comes dry again then we’ll be in the same position in another 2 weeks time.
 

down n'dirty

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Location
South Wales
With the crops being so behind, I am adopting the little and often approach. Have so far put 190kg N on, the last split only in the last week, just before the rain we had on Wednesday. As we are going for milling quality as well, another 50 units will go mid- may if the potential (and warmth) is there. We are on hungry ground and have applied up to 300kg of N on group 1's before now.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Same thing here but growing for feed, feel pretty sure the plants haven't got hold of N2 yet and certainly nowhere near flag leaf. If it comes wet though I could get N3 on without risk of scorch. Also nicely slotted between fungicides applications.
 

Auckland Blue

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Location
Essex
bit of liquid N to go on 1st wheat, about a days work but waiting for an end to these frosty nights. Still see the granules from N2 here. I don't think I'm a pessimistic person but just cant shake a nagging feeling that we will get bu88er all rain in the next week or it will start and not know when to stop. My moneys on the former. Just to clarify this prediction is for NW Essex. Please feel free to take the pi$$ unmercifully if I'm wrong!
 

Hampton

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Location
Shropshire
Winter crops except oats here had their N programmes finished 2 weeks ago. Just the spring cereals and winter oats needing a final dose.
Same with me. Banged it on, and on the spring crops.
Got a final sniff to go on the milling wheat, but the vast majority is on so it may not get it unless it darkens up. (To be fair my crops look pale as they got Broadway/Horus before the rains and the cold nights lightened them)
 

snarling bee

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
W Wheats, all milling, have had 170 kg N up to now. Spring cereals had 70. Looks like we will miss today's rain so I'm not really sure what to do TBH.
 

JCfarmer

Member
Location
warks
Finished last dose on milling wheat 2 days ago bar some nufol in June.
Feed wheats will get their last dose this week.
Raining well here.
 

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
N2 went on in the 3rd week of March but still hasn’t been taken up (6 weeks). Wheats still looking palid here even after 10mm on Thursday night, but the overlaps on the end rigs are bottle green and well tillered. It makes me wonder if we shouldn’t rethink the ‘best practice’ of splitting nitrogen passes 3 ways, and go back to an early heavy dose followed by the balance in mid March.
These record cold and dry springs are no longer anomalies and ‘one offs’, they are the ‘new normal’.
 

Old apprentice

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Arable Farmer
Location
North west
50 kg per acre 15 Feb 7 March 6april urea 50 kg 34.5 30th April don't think l will be going again . Don't like it to look hungry when things start to grow first few days of April started to look good until late frost came some had cintac 1st April but after frosts can't really see diference of those that had cintac and those that did not.
 

FarmerBruce

Member
Location
Yorkshire
N2 went on in the 3rd week of March but still hasn’t been taken up (6 weeks). Wheats still looking palid here even after 10mm on Thursday night, but the overlaps on the end rigs are bottle green and well tillered. It makes me wonder if we shouldn’t rethink the ‘best practice’ of splitting nitrogen passes 3 ways, and go back to an early heavy dose followed by the balance in mid March.
These record cold and dry springs are no longer anomalies and ‘one offs’, they are the ‘new normal’.
This is what I’m definitely doing from now on
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
some had cintac 1st April but after frosts can't really see diference of those that had cintac and those that did not.
SU’s, that’s another reason why wheats “don’t look like they used to” in the spring here. We haven’t used Cintac, but where we’ve used Hatra (mesosulfuron + iodosulfuron, Atlantis) it’s fried tillers and slightly bleached the crop. In one field we sprayed the headland with Hatra, and the rest with Gropper (metsulphuron methyl), and you can see the effect to the line.
It’s a great product in a ‘normal’ spring, but we won’t be using Hatra from now on 😕
 
the wet winter will have leached out any available n in the soil
i now only us su s if there is absalutely no other option hammer the crop in years like this

overlaps can look greener for may reasons
more n more p more k more seed

this year any crop following poor osr last year looks a lot greener as the some of the n put on the rape has been used by the wheat

20 kgs of n at drilling in september would have the same effect

in the 1980s 20 tonnes of muck to the acre always produced strong forward crops keeping then standing was the challenge even with only 100kg of n and very low seed rates
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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