nitrogen application

Godber

Member
Location
NW Essex
Got a third of our nitrogen (AN) to put on the WW's. What urea we put on 3 weeks ago has not had anymore than 5mm's of rain and I imagine its still too near the surface for the wheats to access most of it. But the wheat's moving forward and at least if its on it will be available when it does rain. Anyone finished their wheats?
 

Zippy768

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dorset/Wilts
Got a third of our nitrogen (AN) to put on the WW's. What urea we put on 3 weeks ago has not had anymore than 5mm's of rain and I imagine its still too near the surface for the wheats to access most of it. But the wheat's moving forward and at least if its on it will be available when it does rain. Anyone finished their wheats?
Another 10 days/2 weeks till last app on ww. Haven't finished the WB N yet:oops:
 

Heathland

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Got a third of our nitrogen (AN) to put on the WW's. What urea we put on 3 weeks ago has not had anymore than 5mm's of rain and I imagine its still too near the surface for the wheats to access most of it. But the wheat's moving forward and at least if its on it will be available when it does rain. Anyone finished their wheats?
Yes all finished here,its no good in the bag,really need rain here,but there is nothing in the forecast.
 

robbie

Member
Finished spring and winter barley on 27/3 and put the balance of 100 units acre as urea on to wheat by the 5th April. we had 8 mm on the 7th which was a god send.

I would have held off abit but being urea it can go on a bit sooner and the 7th was the only chance in the forcast we might get some rain so I went for it and i am very pleased I did.
 

Shutesy

Moderator
Arable Farmer
Location
Stansted
Finished spring and winter barley on 27/3 and put the balance of 100 units acre as urea on to wheat by the 5th April. we had 8 mm on the 7th which was a god send.

I would have held off abit but being urea it can go on a bit sooner and the 7th was the only chance in the forcast we might get some rain so I went for it and i am very pleased I did.
Some folks have all the luck :rolleyes: dont think we've had 7mm in 1 day for months!!
Last of the solid on the OSR over 2 weeks ago can still be seen on the surface. All N on W and S barley and last doses were liquid so hopefully wont need so much rain to wash it in. 2nd dose on wheat was also liquid. Last dose, 1/3 of total N also liquid, still to go on probably fairly soon so any rain we may get can get to wash it in. Cant afford to miss that chance! Fudging dry!!!
 

robbie

Member
Its fudging dry here too and we've been very fortunate to have had 8mm as mentioned as well as another 10 or 12mm a fortnight before. I dread to think what things would be like here now if we'd missed it, this land needs a inch a week really.

Curiously I was speaking to a amatuar weather man who lives only a few miles away and his records show March as being average for rain fall.

It's very worrying which ever way the weather goes from here, If it stays dry were fudged and if it turns wet and puts water levels back to "normal" were also fudged.
 

Godber

Member
Location
NW Essex
Some folks have all the luck :rolleyes: dont think we've had 7mm in 1 day for months!!
Last of the solid on the OSR over 2 weeks ago can still be seen on the surface. All N on W and S barley and last doses were liquid so hopefully wont need so much rain to wash it in. 2nd dose on wheat was also liquid. Last dose, 1/3 of total N also liquid, still to go on probably fairly soon so any rain we may get can get to wash it in. Cant afford to miss that chance! Fudging dry!!!
YR are forecasting a few mm's in a weeks time so think i'll put the final third on this week. Seems crazy that we are in the frame of mind that this drought may carry on but it is driving our decision. I belief research shows that the rain needs to be biblical to cause leaching at this stage.
 

Flat 10

Member
Location
Fen Edge
N1 70kg
N2 70kg
N3 70kg

Then possibly a protein spray in June if we think there’s milking potential. If it doesn’t rain soon then all the N will go into protein anyway and not yield so it won’t be required.
So you have a strategy of going fairly late with your yield building N. Why do you do it this way? You must think it works well for you.
 
So you have a strategy of going fairly late with your yield building N. Why do you do it this way? You must think it works well for you.
I tend to go early with my N. All done and dusted on all crops 10 days ago (yorkshire).

Am I correct in thinking that @warksfarmer tends to use lower/cheaper fungicide programmes?

If early N produces thick canopies which creates somewhere for fungal growth to proliferate, up to now it has maybe been OK because fungicides have been effective.

BUT, if fingicide efficacy reduces, then maybe I may need to re-evaluate what I do in future. Shifting from large early doses to something more like warksfarmer's programme might be the way to go.

I won't like making this change, as I feel that building lots of biomass early helps on my drought prone soils. But I may need to change in the future.
 
I tend to go early with my N. All done and dusted on all crops 10 days ago (yorkshire).

Am I correct in thinking that @warksfarmer tends to use lower/cheaper fungicide programmes?

If early N produces thick canopies which creates somewhere for fungal growth to proliferate, up to now it has maybe been OK because fungicides have been effective.

BUT, if fingicide efficacy reduces, then maybe I may need to re-evaluate what I do in future. Shifting from large early doses to something more like warksfarmer's programme might be the way to go.

I won't like making this change, as I feel that building lots of biomass early helps on my drought prone soils. But I may need to change in the future.
Not just fungicides as it’s all inputs as far as we can. Aiming for a total input cost under £40/tonne sold.
I wouldn't say the fertiliser plan is connected to this though. It’s generally 210kg N and 100kg S applies in equal amounts roughly 30 days apart.
 

Flat 10

Member
Location
Fen Edge
I tend to go early with my N. All done and dusted on all crops 10 days ago (yorkshire).

Am I correct in thinking that @warksfarmer tends to use lower/cheaper fungicide programmes?

If early N produces thick canopies which creates somewhere for fungal growth to proliferate, up to now it has maybe been OK because fungicides have been effective.

BUT, if fingicide efficacy reduces, then maybe I may need to re-evaluate what I do in future. Shifting from large early doses to something more like warksfarmer's programme might be the way to go.

I won't like making this change, as I feel that building lots of biomass early helps on my drought prone soils. But I may need to change in the future.
Similar here, I agree with you
 

JCfarmer

Member
Location
warks
Going to start applying the balance of N on wheats tomorrow I think, even the later drilled more backward wheat. Who knows when we will next get rain!(hoping thursday)
 

Clive

Staff Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Lichfield
Farm by the crop not the calendar is as complicated as it gets.
If ever there has been a year I’ve been glad of going early with N this is it so far

Just mid way though n3 now - only another 40kg of urea to go at milky ripe if enough rain between now and then to potentially dilute protein with yield
 

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