Nitrogen on canyon spring oats

[ollie989898]

Following this thread as I have Canyon and Delfin planted, and serviced agronomy
Can't tell if @ollie989898 is being ironic or serious?

I am taking the proverbial.

I have no problem with serviced agronomy; I used to be a serviced agronomist. But I never resorted to making extremely dubious claims about any product/variety/technique/anything else. If a customer wanted X then I provided it or advised him where he could obtain it.

I honestly do not understand why any company or agent thereof would resort to any kind of tactic like this. I took the view that I had a long-term relationship with customers- I was not a used car salesman who did one deal and disappeared into the ether. I did my best to provide good old fashioned value-added service and only sold things I believed in. I was provided with a range of different products, as any big name company must surely be able to do, and chose what I thought best fitted the situation. Why would you lie? I remember a conversation once where a good customer of mine asked me about a barley variety. I told him it was a very good feed variety but it wasn't one I could supply, I understood that another company were selling it. What do you have to lose by being honest? I was doing all his agronomy anyway and if he wanted to try a bit of seed from another company what odds does it make to me?

I do not and will not understand why big box companies are trying this smoke and mirrors stunt. Those days are over and they need to wake up and do it quickly. The majority of the serious arable farmers I knew or know are not daft: they are as technically astute if not more so than I ever was. You can't going to pull their pants down, even if you blatantly lie and abuse their trust- you will be found out eventually.

I'd sooner carry a reputation for being on the expensive side than have a reputation an absolute crook. One of those you can justifiably defend, the other is just wrong. I've seen a good dose of the latter, often it is plain as day: you meet a farmer for the first time ever and they explain what they are up to, you realise they are completely over a barrel but can't tell them so because you don't have any relationship with them. I've experienced that more times than I can remember. I always thought to myself, what if another agronomist comes on to this farm and listens to what I have told a farmer, is there anything I have said they could pick holes in?

And lastly, despite some of the pub banter you may read on TTF: chlormequat and moddus are not going to incinerate a crop or turn it into a dwarf.

 

[Spencer]

Medax Max here.. they look well

 

[richard hammond]

I am taking the proverbial.

I have no problem with serviced agronomy; I used to be a serviced agronomist. But I never resorted to making extremely dubious claims about any product/variety/technique/anything else. If a customer wanted X then I provided it or advised him where he could obtain it.

I honestly do not understand why any company or agent thereof would resort to any kind of tactic like this. I took the view that I had a long-term relationship with customers- I was not a used car salesman who did one deal and disappeared into the ether. I did my best to provide good old fashioned value-added service and only sold things I believed in. I was provided with a range of different products, as any big name company must surely be able to do, and chose what I thought best fitted the situation. Why would you lie? I remember a conversation once where a good customer of mine asked me about a barley variety. I told him it was a very good feed variety but it wasn't one I could supply, I understood that another company were selling it. What do you have to lose by being honest? I was doing all his agronomy anyway and if he wanted to try a bit of seed from another company what odds does it make to me?

I do not and will not understand why big box companies are trying this smoke and mirrors stunt. Those days are over and they need to wake up and do it quickly. The majority of the serious arable farmers I knew or know are not daft: they are as technically astute if not more so than I ever was. You can't going to pull their pants down, even if you blatantly lie and abuse their trust- you will be found out eventually.

I'd sooner carry a reputation for being on the expensive side than have a reputation an absolute crook. One of those you can justifiably defend, the other is just wrong. I've seen a good dose of the latter, often it is plain as day: you meet a farmer for the first time ever and they explain what they are up to, you realise they are completely over a barrel but can't tell them so because you don't have any relationship with them. I've experienced that more times than I can remember. I always thought to myself, what if another agronomist comes on to this farm and listens to what I have told a farmer, is there anything I have said they could pick holes in?

And lastly, despite some of the pub banter you may read on TTF: chlormequat and moddus are not going to incinerate a crop or turn it into a dwarf.

Ollie, very much off topic but as you appear to very interested in Agromomy/ growing crops why did you jack the job?? did I miss the reason in a previous thread, if so I apologise,,

 

[ollie989898]

Ollie, very much off topic but as you appear to very interested in Agromomy/ growing crops why did you jack the job?? did I miss the reason in a previous thread, if so I apologise,,

I did mention it on another thread.

The short answer is I just didn't enjoy it any more. My little patch was only ever going to be what it was and with the way the job is going would only shrink in time. Also the prospect of the stress of running around trying to cover the magic 10,000 acres was never going to do me any good.

 

[MNBVCXZ]

“And lastly, despite some of the pub banter you may read on TTF: chlormequat and moddus are not going to incinerate a crop or turn it into a dwarf.”

Yes they can, albeit at higher rates than would/should be advised.

 

[jh.]

Following this thread as I have Canyon and Delfin planted, and serviced agronomy
Can't tell if @ollie989898 is being ironic or serious?

Let us know how you find the delfin compared to canyon . Look a step up on paper

 

[kmo]

Let us know how you find the delfin compared to canyon . Look a step up on paper

Delfin drilled late March. Snowed that night. Best part of an inch of rain just after. Took best part of three weeks too emerge in the drier patches, failed in the wetter spots. (Seed seemed very heavily dressed)
Canyon drilled mid April, seed seemed less heavily dressed, was up in just over a week, far better plant population.
So don't think it's going to be a fair comparison, with everything the Delfin's had to cope with.

 

[Neddy flanders]

without hijacking this thread, are all you spring oat growers on contract or free-market?

 

[jh.]

without hijacking this thread, are all you spring oat growers on contract or free-market?

Mine free at moment but got offered 153 for a quick movement at harvest last week. Tempted just to free up some storage rather than risk getting stuck with them

 

[Brisel]

Free market, though I have sold a few loads forward.

 

[Chae1]

Mine free at moment but got offered 153 for a quick movement at harvest last week. Tempted just to free up some storage rather than risk getting stuck with them

That sounds good, who was offering that?

 

[jh.]

Kinder to the crop and lower residues?

Kinder than 3C and Moddus of course which are so well known for torching crops or making them end up 6 inches tall?

It was chlormequat residue he meant , saying adjust is approved by Quaker.

It seems they have sold out of canopy which is why he had put the adjust in . No mention of medax max but maybe not an agrii product