No Deal Brexit

[Scribus]

I wouldn't put cancer treatment as economic, and I certainly wouldn't class scientific discovery and sharing that with the world as a threat to Britishness - that's surely what we are famous for?

Cancer research and treatment is an economic activity, the pharmaceutical industry thrives on it. Scientific discovery is also motivated, to a large part, by financial reward. The science of thermodynamics was created in answer to improve the efficiency of steam engines after all.

Cultural 'Britishness', which can, unfortunately, take the form of racism at times is something altogether different. It is often noted that the older members of society voted to leave, this is the generation whose peers had fought two world wars against a common enemy, Germany, and it is this country that has now come to dominate the EU.

'Britishness' starts at Dover, the UK has been relatively free from invasion thanks to that 22 miles of water, war and occupation on home turf is pretty much unknown. Not so on the continent where ravaging armies moved backwards and forwards over the centuries causing death and hardship wherever they went. The great European project is being seen from two quite different perspectives from either side of the channel.

 

[jpd]

this side of the sea
we blamed m thatcher and her deregulation
allowing the sale of contaminated ingredients

 

[Highland Mule]

this side of the sea
we blamed m thatcher and her deregulation
allowing the sale of contaminated ingredients

Failed regulation, as I wrote two pages ago.

 

[Highland Mule]

Cancer research and treatment is an economic activity, the pharmaceutical industry thrives on it.

The provision of medical care to our citizens is a social benefit and any loss will be a social loss. Yes, there is profit to be made for the providing companies, but that is much less significance on the countrywide scale than keeping people alive and healthy.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Failed regulation, as I wrote two pages ago.

BSE was caused by a few farmers feeding sh1t to cattle, but that doesn't mean all farmers were complicit and none should be trusted any more


thats what you said, it was nothing to do with a few farmers feeding sh!t to cattle

 

[Highland Mule]

BSE was caused by a few farmers feeding sh1t to cattle, but that doesn't mean all farmers were complicit and none should be trusted any more


thats what you said, it was nothing to do with a few farmers feeding sh!t to cattle

Of course it was. It maybe was that they were sold the sh1t, but if it hadn’t been fed, it wouldn’t have happened.

And my point stands, you can’t blame a whole industry for the failings in one part of it.

 

[rob1]

Of course it was. It maybe was that they were sold the sh1t, but if it hadn’t been fed, it wouldn’t have happened.

And my point stands, you can’t blame a whole industry for the failings in one part of it.

You cant deny the fact meat and bone meal had been fed for many decades, why did it suddenly become a problem?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Of course it was. It maybe was that they were sold the sh1t, but if it hadn’t been fed, it wouldn’t have happened.

And my point stands, you can’t blame a whole industry for the failings in one part of it.

4.4 million cattle slaughtered so more that a few farms feeding it .if they even knew they were feeding it . It was in most compound feed including calf rations . It was years later when full declaration of compound feed ingredients had to be declared , after a lot of campaigning by Unions

 

[arcobob]

It is a simple fact of life that the majority blindly trust science ,regulation and politicians to look after us while in almost all cases it is money that dictates what lies and rubbish is finally fed to us.

 

[Courier]

You cant deny the fact meat and bone meal had been fed for many decades, why did it suddenly become a problem?

The problem started when the rendering process lost the high temperature treatment which was replaced by solvents IIRC.
We lost 35% of our milkers.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

The problem started when the rendering process lost the high temperature treatment which was replaced by solvents IIRC.
We lost 35% of our milkers.

I think its inclusion in calf rations had the biggest inpact

 

[Highland Mule]

It is a simple fact of life that the majority blindly trust science ,regulation and politicians to look after us while in almost all cases it is money that dictates what lies and rubbish is finally fed to us.

I think it’s gone the other way now. Things like BSE and the 2008 crash and now it’s now standard to claim that experts know nothing.

No, I don’t know what the answer is.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I think it’s gone the other way now. Things like BSE and the 2008 crash and now it’s now standard to claim that experts know nothing.

No, I don’t know what the answer is.

I think that the problem is compounded by the BBC putting up an 'expert' to argue both sides of every argument. The theory is good but not all 'experts' are chosen wisely.
This is made even worse with the advent of social media and youtube [and online forums!] which makes everyone think they are an expert at something when simply put, must of us have to be average.

 

[Highland Mule]

I think that the problem is compounded by the BBC putting up an 'expert' to argue both sides of every argument. The theory is good but not all 'experts' are chosen wisely.
This is made even worse with the advent of social media and youtube [and online forums!] which makes everyone think they are an expert at something when simply put, must of us have to be average.

Too true. Although very few of us are average. 50% of us are of below average intelligence.

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts”.

“Data is not the plural of anecdote”.

 

[linga]

Too true. Although very few of us are average. 50% of us are of below average intelligence.

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts”.

“Data is not the plural of anecdote”.

Yes but its worth bearing in mind that being intelligent does not mean one is not capable of stupidity

 

[Highland Mule]

Yes but its worth bearing in mind that being intelligent does not mean one is not capable of stupidity

Intelligence does not equal common sense. 50% of the population are of below average common sense.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

My love of mathes requires me to point out that the 50% is not necessarily correct.
As it isn't possible to properly quantify common sense or intelligence I was using the term average as.." 2. a standard or level that is considered to be typical or usual".
In this respect I'd consider the top and bottom 5-10% to be above and below average while the other 80- 90% are average.

 

[Two Tone]

Too true. Although very few of us are average. 50% of us are of below average intelligence.

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts”.

“Data is not the plural of anecdote”.

A-ha!
I see you have looked at my link to John Beddington's The Perfect Storm Revisited. (35 mins to 45 mins in).
Which, by the way, was presented on 26th February 2015, almost exactly a year before DC announced the date of the referendum.

TFF and any threads (especially this one!) aside, did you find it interesting?
I hope so. I did. Especially the bit on Neonics.

I do hope John hasn't ruined his pension prospect after his comments about Prince Charles's agreeing with certain "Facts" re climate change, but still trying to influence us all with a very "un-factual opinion" about GM crops!

 

[Highland Mule]

A-ha!
I see you have looked at my link to John Beddington's The Perfect Storm Revisited. (35 mins to 45 mins in).
Which, by the way, was presented on 26th February 2015, almost exactly a year before DC announced the date of the referendum.

TFF and any threads (especially this one!) aside, did you find it interesting?
I hope so. I did. Especially the bit on Neonics.

I do hope John hasn't ruined his pension prospect after his comments about Prince Charles's agreeing with certain "Facts" re climate change, but still trying to influence us all with a very "un-factual opinion" about GM crops!

I watched a bit of it last night, but that was a quote I knew from before. Will hopefully see a bit more tonight.

 

[Courier]

I think its inclusion in calf rations had the biggest inpact

I would wholeheartedly agree with that - we were reluctantly persuaded by a genus ( or whatever the called themselves at the time) consultant to use MBM in a on floor shovel mixed weaning calf ration .
Every single cow from that years crop of calves went down with BSE.