No deal , no sell

[bobk]

If tariffs come in to force we'd be fools to sell now , wouldn't we ?

 

[Northern territory]

Sell what ?

 

[bobk]

It's in the cropping section

 

[Northern territory]

It's in the cropping section

Sorry it just came up in recent posts

 

[DRC]

Sell what ?

Straw

 

[teslacoils]

Depends. They say we still need to export barley. I'm less sure and think this spring will be proper tight.

 

[The Arable Farmer]

Would we?

 

[JCfarmer]

We are importers of milling wheat and exporters of barley generally

 

[Adeptandy]

Heard today £74/t WTO tariff on Barley

 

[Matt Crooke]

Why import tariffs on grain are set at zero on WTO I thought? Maybe not so good when the U.K. becomes a net exporter next harvest as a tariff on export?

 

[curlietailz]

Surely £74/t export tariff on barley will mean no exports

 

[teslacoils]

Surely £74/t export tariff on barley will mean no exports

Yeah, but there's no wheat so all the barley will go into animal feed and any old wheat sweepings will go into bread.

On the other hand, next year could be a blood bath.

 

[Adeptandy]

Why import tariffs on grain are set at zero on WTO I thought? Maybe not so good when the U.K. becomes a net exporter next harvest as a tariff on export?

On exports

 

[Rattie]

I believe that Maize is tarrif free, imported Maize prices will possibly dictate feed wheat and Barley values here for the short/medium term until things settle and new markets emerge. I don't think we'll suddenly see an £80 lift in wheat prices on 1st Jan?

 

[yellow belly]

it is easy when sat behind a desk to say
if we are short of feed wheat we will import it

but the logiistics are very complex
most consumers need grain delivered a few trucks per week

imported grain comes in boat loads so needs storing before delivery many wheat consumers are not near to the port
the cost has to be paid

some imported grain has no duty high protein and maize

the majority of uk grain usage is in the middle and most home want a specific specification which the trade can usually supply locally matching consumers to the grain on farm
imported wheat of this spec will have import duty

most feed compounders will be now using maximum barley but still need wheat

 

[Hindsight]

and any old wheat sweepings will go into bread.
.

Remind me after xmas to not buy any British bread until November. I would get my bread imported - but that may be a tad difficult too.

 

[Brisel]

it is easy when sat behind a desk to say
if we are short of feed wheat we will import it

but the logiistics are very complex
most consumers need grain delivered a few trucks per week

imported grain comes in boat loads so needs storing before delivery many wheat consumers are not near to the port
the cost has to be paid

some imported grain has no duty high protein and maize

the majority of uk grain usage is in the middle and most home want a specific specification which the trade can usually supply locally matching consumers to the grain on farm
imported wheat of this spec will have import duty

most feed compounders will be now using maximum barley but still need wheat

We've been importing bulk ag commodities like wheat for centuries. WHy do you think that our major flour millers are located at deep water ports like Tilbury? There are facilities for storage inland and dockside. @Jetemp runs a very successful business doing just this not far from a deep water port.

You need to look at some of the dockside facilities like ABP at Portbury

 

[Jetemp]

@Brisel look close to home! Teesport, one of the big multinationals have in the last couple of years has spent near enough 10 million to give them the ability to discharge the largest bulk carrying ships imaginable. at the moment there seems to be boats on the quay more or less non stop. There are lots of huge stores within a couple of miles of the port too, it’s thriving up here! It’s going to be interesting In January too see what happens, although in reality i cant see that much changing tbh.

 

[yellow belly]

We've been importing bulk ag commodities like wheat for centuries. WHy do you think that our major flour millers are located at deep water ports like Tilbury? There are facilities for storage inland and dockside. @Jetemp runs a very successful business doing just this not far from a deep water port.

You need to look at some of the dockside facilities like ABP at Portbury

the point i was making is that this all costs

also the spec each home wants is different
variety ,soft or hard hagburg the level of protein below 10% or no more than 12 %

a big ship 50 000 tonnes of variable hagburg mixed wheat can work for feed compounders but not for many other homes
animal feed grain will just buy low hag wheat or maize

many uk homes are used to taking a hand full of loads a week

 

[Devil's advocate]

If tariffs come in to force we'd be fools to sell now , wouldn't we ?

Are we rejoining the EU?

These tariff's are not for a few trial weeks.

May be more world grain coming in cheap too. Disaster.