That's a fair point too. Part of the reason that it is cheaper to import than buy domestically is that ex farm prices can be higher. A local merchant was able to buy a 4000t boat of Danish wheat cheaper in August than they could buy it ex farm in Yorkshire to keep their consumers supplied. I'm sure you've read market reports that we aren't "export competitive" occasionally. You could argue that the merchant is just trying to talk the market down but it happens. Then it's just a calculation to see if they can get it ex port and ex store cheaper than ex farm, double handled or not.
No deal , no sell
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That's a fair point too. Part of the reason that it is cheaper to import than buy domestically is that ex farm prices can be higher. A local merchant was able to buy a 4000t boat of Danish wheat cheaper in August than they could buy it ex farm in Yorkshire to keep their consumers supplied. I'm sure you've read market reports that we aren't "export competitive" occasionally. You could argue that the merchant is just trying to talk the market down but it happens. Then it's just a calculation to see if they can get it ex port and ex store cheaper than ex farm, double handled or not.
Jetemp
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@Brisel funny that you mention danish milling wheat. We were involved in the movement of danish milling wheat direct from a boat at a port in East Yorkshire up too homes not to far from us up here last week.
Here’s a 30000 tonne vessel completing discharge this morning.This will be out today and the next one starts discharge at the same quay tomorrow.
Here’s a 30000 tonne vessel completing discharge this morning.This will be out today and the next one starts discharge at the same quay tomorrow.
Jetemp
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No were not storing it. We were just involved in the haulage of it at the moment. The biggest we have been involved in was off my memory serves me correctly was 60000 tonne. The current set up at teesport unloads a 30000 tons in 5 days ish depending on the weather!
Swiss Toni
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Bulk carriers queuing up at Teesport at the moment.
Going in or out
farmerm
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Potentially milling wheat comes in tariff free, domestic milling wheat gets dumped into the feed pile alongside tariff free imported maize?
farmerm
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Do tell us which mills se we can arrange to blockade lorries arriving at its gates with grain that do not have a passport and a valid farm assurance sticker on it!!
yellow belly
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Need a lot of 4000 tonne boat loads to fill the gap between 2020 harvest and demand up to next harvest
remember we grew 6million tonnes less in 2020 than 2019
1500 of those size boats
That will be all of them bringing in non RT ingredients, many of which aren’t produced in Britain. What’s your next move?
Jetemp
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Why would you blockade the mills? Surely that would just be another nail in the coffin of British agriculture in the eyes of the general public! you must also have a pretty diverse rotation if you could supply products to compete with those that are imported!
Jetemp
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Hindsight
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From what I can make out cargo originated Odessa - was she carrying maize or wheat?? Or more likely I haven't a clue and got the wrong end of Google
Nice piccies.
Jetemp
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Sounds about right. The new boat that is on quay for tomorrow is from Odessa too! both vessels with maize onFrom what I can make out cargo originated Odessa - was she carrying maize or wheat?? Or more likely I haven't a clue and got the wrong end of Google
I'd counter your variable hagberg comment. We ship wheat from UK, EU and N.America and the benefit of shipping is that you get much more consistency as the wheat arrives at the load port, is blended as it loads, blended again as it is discharged and blended again in the silo. This is 2 more opportunities for blending than normal lorry loads. You can also buy to much more precise specifications which can also give the shipper/merchant more opportunities aswell.
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Contact the CMA, and see if they think it is fair trade terms for mills to insist on FA grain from UK producers, but for the mills not to insist on the same FA standards from non-UK farmers. It's tantamount to racism.
What products do you think aren't FA?
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All wheat is covered by schemes not dissimilar to RT, much of the Danish/Swedish wheat that has arrived actually conforms to stricter standards. German wheat standards are again probably stricter than RT. Polish wheat is probably the weak link.
Ingredients wise most things are actually produced in the UK. Big manufacturers are people like EDME while gluten comes from places like Sedamyl in Selby, Cargill in Manchester and until next Monday Roquette in Corby. All products have to conform to BRC specifications so there really aren't any loop holes. Only things which I would say are questionable are some fry items like poppy seeds which are a complete minefield
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What about all the soya from the americas, wheat from australia, wheat from canada.
If you read the small print in the UFAS scheme, it clearly makes a distinction between the FA standards of UK grown grains/oilseeds/pulses vs non-UK grown.
The UK produced grain must be FA at the farm level. The non-UK grain does not need to be FA at the farm level, but only from the point of collection e.g. if the lorry, port, ship is in a scheme, then the non-UK grain magically gets a FA sticker when it comes off the ship.
Distinct difference, burried deep in The UFAS small print, and it stinks imho.