No need for a trailer test anymore?

[Phil P]

Well, you claim to now be legal - because with the law change, your insurance will mean something when towing. So yes, you did.


So if you've been so happy to drive illegally for 23 years with a trailer, why did you even bother to get a car license in the first place

So you’ve NEVER done anything illegal on the road?


Because I can see the point of the category B test, but I’ve always believed the change in towing law back in 1997 to have been nothing more than a bollox money making exercise same as the change to having to do a class 2 before been able to do a class 1.

Also as a percentage of time I spend towing compared to not towing I’m quite happy and willing to accept the risk and would continue to do so had they not changed the regs!

Why isn’t there a separate test to tow a trailer with a tractor? Why do I see 16 year olds on tractors over 2.55m wide and 18t trailers behind them?

Come on, if I come and inspect all your vehicles and equipment that goes on the road can you hand on hart say your 100%legal?????

 

[Fendt516profi]

@Phil P bet you'd take your wool somewhere else besides the wool board too if you had sheep

 

[Courier]

So you’ve NEVER done anything illegal on the road?


Because I can see the point of the category B test, but I’ve always believed the change in towing law back in 1997 to have been nothing more than a bollox money making exercise same as the change to having to do a class 2 before been able to do a class 1.

Also as a percentage of time I spend towing compared to not towing I’m quite happy and willing to accept the risk and would continue to do so had they not changed the regs!

Why isn’t there a separate test to tow a trailer with a tractor? Why do I see 16 year olds on tractors over 2.55m wide and 18t trailers behind them?

Come on, if I come and inspect all your vehicles and equipment that goes on the road can you hand on hart say your 100%legal?????

No one can say they are always 100% legal but having 6 weekly ( or shorter) inspections by a third party and daily check records is somewhat more acceptable than knowingly operating for 23 years without proper licensing and therefore being without even 3rd party insurance.

 

[Phil P]

No one can say they are always 100% legal but having 6 weekly ( or shorter) inspections by a third party and daily check records is somewhat more acceptable than knowingly operating for 23 years without proper licensing and therefore being without even 3rd party insurance.

I’m not running a haulage company ffs , anyway I’m going to another thread, I’m sick of the tff self righteous massive on this one. Bye

 

[Sid]

Surly if the stop the test from the 20th it makes sense to go from there? Otherwise they’re just creating even more of a backlog!

So when they stopped all car tested due to the virus anyone could jump in a car and drive it without a licence.

As you can clearly see being an uninsured driver is punished twice as hard as speeding.

all offences are NOT the same


IN10
Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks
6 to 8



SP30

Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road
3 to 6

 

[Nithsdale]

So you’ve NEVER done anything illegal on the road?


Because I can see the point of the category B test, but I’ve always believed the change in towing law back in 1997 to have been nothing more than a bollox money making exercise same as the change to having to do a class 2 before been able to do a class 1.

Also as a percentage of time I spend towing compared to not towing I’m quite happy and willing to accept the risk and would continue to do so had they not changed the regs!

Why isn’t there a separate test to tow a trailer with a tractor? Why do I see 16 year olds on tractors over 2.55m wide and 18t trailers behind them?

Come on, if I come and inspect all your vehicles and equipment that goes on the road can you hand on hart say your 100%legal?????

This isn't about me, so stop deflecting.

Why do you see a point to the B license? What do you gain by having it (bearing in mind we have established you're happy to be an illegal, uninsured driver on the public highway)?

 

[Phil P]

This isn't about me, so stop deflecting.

Why do you see a point to the B license? What do you gain by having it (bearing in mind we have established you're happy to be an illegal, uninsured driver on the public highway)?

This is only about me because you and the others on this thread are making it about me and are too soft to face the flack by admitting your not squeaky clean and as usual feel it’s ok to troll and be all high and mighty pulling another forum member to pieces but not admitting to anything them selves.

So, are you 100% legal on the road 100% of the time? and never do or have done something that may knowingly invalidate your insurance?
Same question to you @Sid?

I’ll take any deflection or reluctance to answer as an admission of guilt or been nothing more than a forum troll put and you on ignore.

 

[Nithsdale]

This is only about me because you and the others on this thread are making it about me and are too soft to face the flack by admitting your not squeaky clean and as usual feel it’s ok to troll and be all high and mighty pulling another forum member to pieces but not admitting to anything them selves.

So, are you 100% legal on the road 100% of the time? and never do or have done something that may knowingly invalidate your insurance?
Same question to you @Sid?

I’ll take any deflection or reluctance to answer as an admission of guilt or been nothing more than a forum troll put you on ignore.

You are the one who openly admitted to setting out to drive illegally. You set yourself up for what followed

How would you react if you were involved in an accident but it turns out the other driver (who was to blame) had no license, no insurance?...


I'm not trolling you. I asked a simple question to try and understand your thinking - which you don't seem to want to answer. I'm not being high and mighty - but I HAVE had dealings with f**kwits who think they are above the law, and I've seen the damage and grief done by uninsured drivers



And no, I've not knowingly invalidated my insurance when driving. My land rover and trailer are both legal and in working order - if I were to be pulled in by VOSA. I have no guilt.

 

[Phil P]

You are the one who openly admitted to setting out to drive illegally. You set yourself up for what followed

How would you react if you were involved in an accident but it turns out the other driver (who was to blame) had no license, no insurance?...


I'm not trolling you. I asked a simple question to try and understand your thinking - which you don't seem to want to answer. I'm not being high and mighty - but I HAVE had dealings with f**kwits who think they are above the law, and I've seen the damage and grief done by uninsured drivers



And no, I've not knowingly invalidated my insurance when driving. My land rover and trailer are both legal and in working order - if I were to be pulled in by VOSA. I have no guilt.

Thanks for actually answering, I answered you question back on post #162 so let’s draw a line under it and get back on topic please. This thread isn’t about me it’s about the changing in the law, I’m happy in my life choices and have no more to say on this subject.

 

[Sid]

This is only about me because you and the others on this thread are making it about me and are too soft to face the flack by admitting your not squeaky clean and as usual feel it’s ok to troll and be all high and mighty pulling another forum member to pieces but not admitting to anything them selves.

So, are you 100% legal on the road 100% of the time? and never do or have done something that may knowingly invalidate your insurance?
Same question to you @Sid?

I’ll take any deflection or reluctance to answer as an admission of guilt or been nothing more than a forum troll put and you on ignore.

You have knowingly driven without insurance 100% of the time you have a trailer behind. That is a huge difference to breaking the law 1,5,10% of the time of slipping over the speed limit.


Knowingly breaking the law is completely opposite to accidently doing so.

 

[Phil P]

You have knowingly driven without insurance 100% of the time you have a trailer behind. That is a huge difference to breaking the law 1,5,10% of the time of slipping over the speed limit.


Knowingly breaking the law is completely opposite to accidently doing so.

That didn’t answer my question Sid, as it’s well known on the wreckers thread, there’s no such thing as an accident! You don’t accidentally break the law.

 

[hally]

@Phil P bet you'd take your wool somewhere else besides the wool board too if you had sheep

Noooooooooooooo

 

[Sid]

That didn’t answer my question Sid, as it’s well known on the wreckers thread, there’s no such thing as an accident! You don’t accidentally break the law.

Unknowingly then.

You knowingly broke the law

 

[Lincsman]

Dont know what the fuss is about, its just reverting to 30 years ago, I know a girl who worked on Asda checkout, went straight to class one without even sitting in the drivers seat of a car, 14 day course, passed and covered for everything, in the days of HGV L plates and she also had a standard L plate.

 

[Cowmansam]

Well, you claim to now be legal - because with the law change, your insurance will mean something when towing. So yes, you did.


So if you've been so happy to drive illegally for 23 years with a trailer, why did you even bother to get a car license in the first place

Cos your not getting cought with a trailer but you are with no car test

 

[Harvey the rabbit]

Taking the pee is not acceptable but you are using a extreme.

Once seen them say about a excavator on the back of a artic being about 60% over weight and all this other crap, making everyone think it was this extremely overloaded wagon that was going to kill people, and what hero's they were for stopping it. Turned out to be something stupid making it go from stgo rules back to 44ton rules. So the unit and trailer was fine to carry the weight, but because of some little daft thing they were going to town on the poor lad.

Every comment off the public was praising them for doing a good job but every comment off low loader drivers were criticising them for being way to harsh with it.

I dont hate dvsa its jobsworth people i cant stand, you give people a little bit of power and it goes to their head.

I remember that 1, think the stgo board on the dash was partly obscured by a hi viz vest or something

 

[Smith31]

Best news in a long while, we need reality in this country if we are going to compete on the world stage, all we have is clip board warriors.

There is a shortage of labour in all sectors, we need de regulation and a strong drive to move forward, the alternative is more immigration to fill the staff shortage, which makes Brexit a farce.

 

[hally]

We need people that innovate, create, build, generally speaking doers…..not the inspector/clipboard types.
Relation worked in the pharmaceutical industry and said the scientists who created/tested the products were on a fraction of the salary what the marketing boys earned. Sums it up really.
In the aftermath of Covid where would be without the scientists.

 

[hoyboy]

All this rubbish of trailer test, hgv test CPC nonsense. I've none of it but would confidently and safely take an artic across the country. It's just common sense how to react to changing situations. I regularly gross 40 with tractor and trailer. Often go 9 with a Transit and Ifor Williams, best I've had was 11 and never once had an accident. Never strapped a load of bales if only putting a single row on the top. You build them right they don't fall off! You either got it or you don't I reckon. I did my hgv equivalent in USA and test was easier than doing a car test here. Week later hauling combines down the interstate at 80mph no shitty limiter. Some US states you can do a car test at 14, you can drive an artic wagon for farm use within 100mile radius of your farm on a car license at 18. No one over there ever heard of hauling with a tractor as it's so cheap to run a wagon. Over here you need a bit of paper and pay a fee to SEPA to fart shortly. At least this is one step in the right direction.

 

[Fendt516profi]

All this rubbish of trailer test, hgv test CPC nonsense. I've none of any of it but would confidentiality and safely take an artic across the country. It's just common sense how to react to changing situations. I regularly gross 40 with tractor and trailer. Often go 9 with a Transit and Ifor Williams, best I've had was 11 and never once had an accident. Never strapped a load of bales if only putting a single row on the top. You build them right they don't fall off! You either got it or you don't I reckon. I did my hgv equivalent in USA and test was easier than doing a car test here. Week later hauling combines down the interstate at 80mph no shitty limiter. Some US states you can do a car test at 14, you can drive an artic wagon for farm use within 100mile radius of your farm on a car license at 18. No one over there ever heard of hauling with a tractor as it's so cheap to run a wagon. Over here you need a bit of paper and pay a fee to SEPA to fart shortly. At least this is one step in the right direction.