No till after grass

[marc jonah]

hi guys, I have a new 40ac block of land which has been permanent pasture for ever, I want to put it into barley this year which I’m putting austral plus on but how do you guys go from grass into cereal no till? It’s still slightly ridge and furrow so I was going to spray it of and run over with a Simba xpress to level but will that just spoil all the natural structures now? Neighbours saying to plough it level for first year then no till from next year but it’s blue clay and don’t want to turn that up. Had a dig about yesterday and it nice structure there now. Lovely sponge like bounce in it and full of worm, haven’t had the soil analysis back yet so unsure of om etc.

Picture shows not too badly ridge and furrow and could live with it if you suggest just drilling straight in.

Thanks

Marc

 

[marc jonah]

Ps, please be gentle... this no till malarky is really hard to get your head around

 

[Bury the Trash]

One big thing to get around will be the old sward when its sprayed off ...breaking down and causing very acid conditions ...which will cause problems for the new seed trying to germinate ..

 

[Clive]

I always go beans after grass - cereals not so successful in my experience

Shame to cultivate it at all but does look quite uneven and I do like ti set no till field up level

 

[marc jonah]

Well, I’ve been out and sprayed it today.... I’m going to have to level it a bit, sprayer looked like a 747 landing in a cross wind...

 

[pine_guy]

Well, I’ve been out and sprayed it today.... I’m going to have to level it a bit, sprayer looked like a 747 landing in a cross wind...

So you hoping to kill it and let it die a bit before sowing rather than sow and the spray so plants have a head start of the decay?

 

[marc jonah]

Yeap, it needs working some shape or form so I’ve sprayed it off

 

[ollie989898]

Better to put broadleaved crop in if you want to do it via no till- beans or OSR into grass works well- you have a LOT more chemistry to kill grasses in broad leaved crops than is the case with cereals going into grass.

 

[ollie989898]

I always go beans after grass - cereals not so successful in my experience

Shame to cultivate it at all but does look quite uneven and I do like ti set no till field up level

OSR in autumn works very well- can get the stuff in earlier than if you were behind barley.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Barley wont be much cop on blue clay either

 

[Clive]

OSR in autumn works very well- can get the stuff in earlier than if you were behind barley.

Osr after grass would be very vulnerable to 2 simons effect

Big seed like beans safer imo

 

[ollie989898]

Osr after grass would be very vulnerable to 2 simons effect

Big seed like beans safer imo

2 simons??

Ive seen osr done behind grass several times.

 

[Clive]

2 simons??

Ive seen osr done behind grass several times.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-two-simons-theory.22172/

 

[Bury the Trash]

The ridge and furrow are of bit of a clue as to why it's grass ,I guess .... why not just reseed with a long term mix

 

[ollie989898]

The ridge and furrow are of bit of a clue as to why it's grass ,I guess .... why not just reseed with a long term mix

Be fine. If turnips or kale will grow like fury in the skankiest pp then rape will.

 

[ollie989898]

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-two-simons-theory.22172/

Ive seen kale or turnips and forage rape drilled, raked, scattered and all sorts into the roughest of pasture that has been sprayed off. Grows into a crop far more often than not.
Why is OSR some mythically different plant??

 

[Simon Chiles]

Ive seen kale or turnips and forage rape drilled, raked, scattered and all sorts into the roughest of pasture that has been sprayed off. Grows into a crop far more often than not.
Why is OSR some mythically different plant??

OSR isn’t. The trouble with the effect is that it can depend on a number of factors coming into play at once so is therefore highly unpredictable. The weather after planting can make the biggest difference. As the acids produced by the decaying graminaceous matter decrease rapidly with distance, 15 mm and they have halved in concentration, then obviously larger seeds such as beans planted 90-100 mm deep are less likely to suffer from the symptoms. 500kg/ha of prilled lime also goes a long way to offsetting the effect.

 

[Bury the Trash]

What is the ph anyway ? I bet it's not high .......If theres a use or market for them and their straw..s oats would be a good pioneer crop

Work it across then get a tonne an acre of lime spread , work it across again then drill

Best to try not to make life too complicated .......

 

[Bury the Trash]

And If you could just turn it over without bringing up the clay by ploughing across at 6.5 inches ...then that's the best option without a doubt.
The current 'furrows' are the bits most likely to allow a bit of clay up to the top, that's the challenge.

 

[marc jonah]

The ridge and furrow are of bit of a clue as to why it's grass ,I guess .... why not just reseed with a long term mix

It’s 18miles from home so grass is just too far to manage.

It’s been long term grass as it’s sssi permanent pasture until last year the nrw have given me permission to do something else with it. Soil sampling was done for all the fields last week but I haven’t had the results back yet. It’s very productive land but I’ll have a dig about later and see what sort of depths of soils we have all over.

The ridge and furrow bit date back to roman times and have had to stay up until now as archaeological interest in them dictates but as said, nrw have given permission to use as arable ground.

If I’ve enough depth I’ll Plough it