No vaccine and no immunity.

[czechmate]

The point i am trying to get at is if immunity doesnt last and we cant get a vaccine then the lock down is just kicking the can down the road and just delaying the inevitable.

Hopefully we do get a vaccine, i personally wont be taking it but those who want can get it and we can move on

I have been wondering how we progress without vaccine/immunity?
Of course hot spots were busy places. So how does the future look without planes, underground, trains, bars, stadiums....
Weird times.
But - not being a “trumpet”, I value looking after our elderly over the economy every time.
I am already resigned to my retirement biting the dust

 

[hoff135]

I have been wondering how we progress without vaccine/immunity?
Of course hot spots were busy places. So how does the future look without planes, underground, trains, bars, stadiums....
Weird times.
But - not being a “trumpet”, I value looking after our elderly over the economy every time.
I am already resigned to my retirement biting the dust

I imagine this first wave will be the worst. However in a few years time you have a new older generation and new people with underlying health conditions at risk. So in the absence of a vaccine and immunity it is still a big risk. Life expectancy would be slashed

 

[czechmate]

I imagine this first wave will be the worst. However in a few years time you have a new older generation and new people with underlying health conditions at risk. So in the absence of a vaccine and immunity it is still a big risk. Life expectancy would be slashed

Yea.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and be hit by an asteroid ...

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

I imagine this first wave will be the worst. However in a few years time you have a new older generation and new people with underlying health conditions at risk. So in the absence of a vaccine and immunity it is still a big risk. Life expectancy would be slashed

Life expectancy will be slashed, yes. But it's been artificially elevated by medical intervention for so many decades that we've all come to accept living independently into our 80s is normal.

I'm wondering whether I can afford to retire earlier if I'm not likely to live as long as I thought just a few months ago and therefore having to stretch pension funds out. Maybe we'll go back to thinking we've done well to reach our 'three score years and ten' in future, in which case I sure as heck aren't working until I'm 60.

My parents generation may well turn out to be the last to enjoy a 30-year retirement.

 

[czechmate]

Life expectancy will be slashed, yes. But it's been artificially elevated by medical intervention for so many decades that we've all come to accept living independently into our 80s is normal.

I'm wondering whether I can afford to retire earlier if I'm not likely to live as long as I thought just a few months ago and therefore having to stretch pension funds out. Maybe we'll go back to thinking we've done well to reach our 'three score years and ten' in future, in which case I sure as heck aren't working until I'm 60.

My parents generation may well turn out to be the last to enjoy a 30-year retirement.

i have a cunning plan.
Set up work so it’s (semi) enjoyable, so live our life “retired” but earning.
Don’t see an alternative now.
Made a step the last couple of days - young cow calves, basically dangerous to go near. Now, up until now, I’ve put up with them and said “their only looking out for their calf/they’ll calm down”...
Well, not any more, dangerous cows are OUT

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

i have a cunning plan.
Set up work so it’s (semi) enjoyable, so live our life “retired” but earning.
Don’t see an alternative now.
Made a step the last couple of days - young cow calves, basically dangerous to go near. Now, up until now, I’ve put up with them and said “their only looking out for their calf/they’ll calm down”...
Well, not any more, dangerous cows are OUT

I'm thinking similarly although I'd like to move back up north for 'proper' retirement, which would mean setting up a new client list

For now, like you, I'm thinking along the lines of gradually scaling back and not taking on new clients whose animals are rather fighty.

One very good thing this disease has inspired in me is to slow down and find little pleasures in the everyday mundane stuff I'd been taking for granted since I might not be here by the end of next week. For example I never realised until today that red valerian smells quite delicious, even though there's been loads of it in the garden for years. No wonder the bees like it.

 

[jendan]

Yea.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and be hit by an asteroid ...

There is one coming close on Wednesday i believe.

 

[le bon paysan]

i have a cunning plan.
Set up work so it’s (semi) enjoyable, so live our life “retired” but earning.
Don’t see an alternative now.
Made a step the last couple of days - young cow calves, basically dangerous to go near. Now, up until now, I’ve put up with them and said “their only looking out for their calf/they’ll calm down”...
Well, not any more, dangerous cows are OUT

Its only hormones. First time calvers especially. Protective cows are the best mother's. They usually calm down in a few days. Rarely does one stay mental and I agree these need sending. However my aim has always been cows that get on with it and don't need intervention. I'm quite happy not to go near them for a week if theyve got on with it.
If we get more wolves about you'll be glad of them

 

[Steevo]

I will be the first to admit that we may well be approaching very difficult times
Tbh, I am a bit lost as to what you are getting at? There almost seems an underlying thought that old people (whatever that might mean) should be left to take their (rather poor) chances, due to being an expensive inconvenience

I think there seem to be a lot of threads like this. Some posters on here seem to have this underlying frustration about the current situation and feel that it's all taking so long, with no clear way out so perhaps life should go back to "normal" again without restrictions and if some die then they do.

I'm as frustrated as anyone.....but I for one don't wish to see some in our society decide that because they don't think they themselves are at risk and others can take their chances.

 

[czechmate]

Its only hormones. First time calvers especially. Protective cows are the best mother's. They usually calm down in a few days. Rarely does one stay mental and I agree these need sending. However my aim has always been cows that get on with it and don't need intervention. I'm quite happy not to go near them for a week if theyve got on with it.
If we get more wolves about you'll be glad of them

I agree and have put up with some. This one, in the building with two others close to calving, it’s guaranteed if I went in to tag the 4 day old calf, I would be killed. Doesn’t matter really and she will calm down but if one of the other two need help in the meantime?
We’ve had an easy spring calving (touching wood for the end) but the odd couple we’ve had to help suck the mums have just stood in the building. To my mind, it’s how it should be...
But - as you say, if a wolf comes on the prowl, which cow is going to be more useful? And the bulls with the herd

 

[Steevo]

On the topic of immunity - I think all scientists and politicians are staying tight lipped on all of this. The last thing they want it so allow people to think they have immunity because then those who have "had it" will then wander around willy nilly thinking they are immune, ignoring the lockdown rules and thus risking spreading the virus from A to B even if they themselves aren't a host. The knock on would then be a two class society (that have hads, and the have nots) and creating a split which risks jeopardizing the lockdown procedures all round.

Hence also why WHO don't want immunity passports issued.

 

[czechmate]

I think there seem to be a lot of threads like this. Some posters on here seem to have this underlying frustration about the current situation and feel that it's all taking so long, with no clear way out so perhaps life should go back to "normal" again without restrictions and if some die then they do.

I'm as frustrated as anyone.....but I for one don't wish to see some in our society decide that because they don't think they themselves are at risk and others can take their chances.

Care homes are a big problem

 

[n.w]

I have been wondering how we progress without vaccine/immunity?
Of course hot spots were busy places. So how does the future look without planes, underground, trains, bars, stadiums....
Weird times.
But - not being a “trumpet”, I value looking after our elderly over the economy every time.
I am already resigned to my retirement biting the dust

that

 

[egbert]

We are currently being told that its unlikely we will have any lasting immunity from coronavirus, certainly it is not proven. I am assuming this could mean someone could be in icu right now but recover only to end up in the same place in 6 months in the same state. If there is no lasting immunity then i cant see how this wont happen?

Secondly there is no vaccine as of now and cold water is being pour on the idea it will be available anytime soon. It may actually never be available or it could be years down the line.

If its true that the population cant become immune on its own and no vaccine is becoming available in the next year or so i cant see how we can continue with the current situation long term?

If both are true, then we'll evolve pdq.

 

[ollie989898]

Thats not actually true, apparently there are about 8 strains already but it mutates so slightly that a vaccine would almost certainly kill all the strains

That is not the case for HIV.

 

[ollie989898]

Yea.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and be hit by an asteroid ...

Super volcano would be more spectacular.

 

[curlietailz]

I think the world will adapt
No mass gatherings
No football, rugby, mass spectator sport
No concerts, theatres, cinema
Little overseas travel, little air travel
No cruises
Many people will work from home, many meetings will be Zoomed or suchlike
Social distancing will become the nor

as farmers I think we are in a fortunate position for once
People will always have to eat
People will holiday in Uk

 

[ollie989898]

I think the world will adapt
No mass gatherings
No football, rugby, mass spectator sport
No concerts, theatres, cinema
Little overseas travel, little air travel
No cruises
Many people will work from home, many meetings will be Zoomed or suchlike
Social distancing will become the nor

as farmers I think we are in a fortunate position for once
People will always have to eat
People will holiday in Uk

Doesn't sound bad at all. Will pornhub premium still be free though?

 

[le bon paysan]

I think the world will adapt
No mass gatherings
No football, rugby, mass spectator sport
No concerts, theatres, cinema
Little overseas travel, little air travel
No cruises
Many people will work from home, many meetings will be Zoomed or suchlike
Social distancing will become the nor

as farmers I think we are in a fortunate position for once
People will always have to eat
People will holiday in Uk

Nahh, normal service will be resumed. We're doomed.

 

[hoff135]

Its perfectly reasonable for someone to want to prioritise lives over money. But lets not forget the nhs and social care has to be paid for by tax payers working and earning.

We can get away with this for a short time but in the months ahead if no solution is forthcoming and the economy is still at a standstill. The lack of economic activity will eat rapidly into the amount the government has to pay for the health care we need.

Unless they just print the money the nhs needs paid for and that requires people working