Non British workers and brexit

[Henarar]

During my recent stay in hospital I noticed that a lot of the staff were not British, but at a guess I would say near half of the ones that were not British were not from an EU country
If workers can come here to work from non EU country's at the moment what will be the problem for EU workers after we leave the EU ? apart from more paper work and perhaps it taking longer to sort out ?
Surly rEU workers will still be able to come here to work if they really want to if non EU workers can do that now

And before anyone gets to calling me allsorts I thought they done a great job while I was there and I have no problem with them working here

 

[wanton dwarf]

During my recent stay in hospital I noticed that a lot of the staff were not British, but at a guess I would say near half of the ones that were not British were not from an EU country
If workers can come here to work from non EU country's at the moment what will be the problem for EU workers after we leave the EU ? apart from more paper work and perhaps it taking longer to sort out ?
Surly rEU workers will still be able to come here to work if they really want to if non EU workers can do that now

And before anyone gets to calling me allsorts I thought they done a great job while I was there and I have no problem with them working here

I guess you are pretty much correct.

However I don't agree that foreign health workers should be coming to the UK in these numbers.

All those job opportunities and training should be made available to UK workers and our youth.

HMG has gone through a period of failing to train UK people to fill jobs, such as in health, and recruiting hard won educated staff from poorer areas of the world.

In fact I wouldn't put it past our dear HMG to be actively spending foreign aid money on training the same people in other parts of the world and then actively promoting the jobs in the UK.

We need a wholesale clean out of politics IMHO.

 

[Henarar]

some good points and I agree with some but the point I was trying to make is we hear that we need foreign workers if that is the case and I am not saying it is or isn't then I don't see that it will be an insurmountable problem to still employ them

 

[GTB]

This was raised in an NFU election hustings last night. They were discussing meat processors using eastern european staff in actual fact but the principle is the same surely. If there are 1.5 to 2 million unemployed people in the UK, why do we need to rely on 'imported' labour? Are those 1.5 million unemployed having it too easy on benefits or are they too lazy to do the work?

BTW most nurses at our local hospital are working 3 x 12 hr shifts then doing a day or two agency work at another hospital whilst nurses doing 3 x 12hr shifts at other hospitals are doing a day or two for an agency here. A lot of them are foreign (I have nothing against them) but surely we should be encouraging more of our own youngsters into nursing? Personally I think schools (and the system in general) are far too keen to send everyone away to uni when in fact a lot of potential students would be better suited to learning a craft or trade or making a career in nursing etc.

 

[wanton dwarf]

This was raised in an NFU election hustings last night. They were discussing meat processors using eastern european staff in actual fact but the principle is the same surely. If there are 1.5 to 2 million unemployed people in the UK, why do we need to rely on 'imported' labour? Are those 1.5 million unemployed having it too easy on benefits or are they too lazy to do the work?

BTW most nurses at our local hospital are working 3 x 12 hr shifts then doing a day or two agency work at another hospital whilst nurses doing 3 x 12hr shifts at other hospitals are doing a day or two for an agency here. A lot of them are foreign (I have nothing against them) but surely we should be encouraging more of our own youngsters into nursing? Personally I think schools (and the system in general) are far too keen to send everyone away to uni when in fact a lot of potential students would be better suited to learning a craft or trade or making a career in nursing etc.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs...-thirds-of-local-applicants-are-rejected.html

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...lications-slump-after-nhs-bursaries-abolished


He said that trusts were spending up to £12,000 per nurse recruited, with teams put up in hotels overseas as they sought foreign labour.

Dr Carter said: “NHS trust after trust is recruiting heavily. Countries like Portugal, Spain and the Republic of Ireland have been exhausted. There is an ethical and a moral issue here. The UK, despite our financial issues, is one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

“We cut our training programmes to save money but we are going off to India, Africa and the Philippines to recruit nurses they have trained and can ill afford to lose. I don’t feel good about going to a developing country and nicking their nurses.”

Twenty-nine per cent of new nurses were recruited from abroad in the past 12 months compared with 11 per cent five years previously.

About 7,500 came from the EU, particularly Spain, Italy and Portugal. Others arrived from further afield, including the Philippines. The number of foreign nurses and midwives registered in the past 12 months grew to 8,200 from 6,200 a year earlier.

Meanwhile, the percentage of NHS trusts who recruited abroad last year doubled, to 73 per cent. More than a third of the nursing workforce are over the age of 50. Dr Carter, about to stand down as RCN chief executive, said the crisis would worsen as tens of thousands of nurses retire and the needs of an ageing population grow.

He urged the Government to train an extra 3,000 nurses a year, restoring levels to those in place over a decade ago

 

[GTB]

My wife's niece has just started training as a nurse. She does a couple of days a week as a bank auxiliary nurse and tbh the wage isn't to be sniffed at. I think they are on 25k per annum after training and that's for 3 x 12hr shifts per week which is a good wage for this area.

 

[Henarar]

This was raised in an NFU election hustings last night

what did the NFU bods have to say about it ?

 

[GTB]

what did the NFU bods have to say about it ?

The questions were aimed at the prospective MP candidates. Not one of them had the guts to admit that a lot of our own unemployed are having an easy ride on benefits and/ or are too lazy to work. The Tory did smile and nod her head a bit though....

 

[Henarar]

The questions were aimed at the prospective MP candidates. Not one of them had the guts to admit that a lot of our own unemployed are having an easy ride on benefits and/ or are too lazy to work. The Tory did smile and nod her head a bit though....

was that smile enough to win your vote ?

 

[GTB]

was that smile enough to win your vote ?

No because she can't possibly win. I will vote Plaid as it's between them and the Lib Dems here in Ceredigion. The plaid candidate is the only fluent Welsh speaker of them all. He's a local lad and seems to really understand rural issues unlike the others who just say what they think you want to hear.

 

[Henarar]

No because she can't possibly win. I will vote Plaid as it's between them and the Lib Dems here in Ceredigion. The plaid candidate is the only fluent Welsh speaker of them all. He's a local lad and seems to really understand rural issues unlike the others who just say what they think you want to hear.

you are after all voting for your next MP nothing else

 

[linga]

No because she can't possibly win. I will vote Plaid as it's between them and the Lib Dems here in Ceredigion. The plaid candidate is the only fluent Welsh speaker of them all. He's a local lad and seems to really understand rural issues unlike the others who just say what they think you want to hear.

I wonder how many are thinking the Conservatives cant win so I had better vote for someone else. Maybe enough to swing the vote ?
I always feel one should vote for the party that most nearly represents ones views as then a true reflection of the thoughts of the country is obtained

 

[Muck Spreader]

I always feel one should vote for the party that most nearly represents ones views as then a true reflection of the thoughts of the country is obtained

That would mean I shouldn't vote, which I don't agree with either.

 

[linga]

That would mean I shouldn't vote, which I don't agree with either.

A dilemma indeed...perhaps there should be "none of the above" available to vote for

 

[Old McDonald]

I always feel one should vote for the party that most nearly represents ones views as then a true reflection of the thoughts of the country is obtained

One should, but many do not.

 

[Henarar]

A dilemma indeed...perhaps there should be "none of the above" available to vote for

what would happen if none of the above got the highest vote, no MP I spose, if this happened enough places "none of the above" could form the government and if it happened everywhere we would have a big empty shed up in London

 

[linga]

what would happen if none of the above got the highest vote, no MP I spose, if this happened enough places "none of the above" could form the government and if it happened everywhere we would have a big empty shed up in London

Would save a bit of money if nothing else and the Country will probably function quite happily