Non so stupid as farmers

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
Farming was a back breaking slog in the sixties, We all like to think the 80 and 90 were bad but with guarantied prices farmers could invest in land and or new up to date machinery.
you said farming has been the best the last 40 years so back to 1976 is 40 years, i said farming was better and very good 60s/70s then it went down hill, which it did, you did not ask if farming was harder and more work before EEC did you,
and if you look into it farming was better in the 60s rather than the 80s post EEC, and since the 80s its gone down hill has it not,
like i said get your facts right, would of answered to the rest of your post, but i have better things to do
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
Farming was a back breaking slog in the sixties, We all like to think the 80 and 90 were bad but with guarantied prices farmers could invest in land and or new up to date machinery.
I left school in 76 my old man had 4 full time workers plus himself 10 years later it was just me doing the same work, less manual work to do but everything was spread five ways before. What guaranteed prices? Dont you remember the beef price when BSE hit fell through the floor, milk was good when the MMB first went as the dairies fought to destroy MM, when I gave up in 98 I got 25ppl in the august whats the price now? prices of machinery have gone through the roof in recent years too
 

dazza b

Member
Location
Lancaster
Wasn't it European competition rules that made MMB illegal?
As far as I understood it either our government or the eu classed it as a monopoly and forced the breakup. I'm out all the way not from a farming perspective though. The Eu will collapse in years to come its run as a farce at best now, if the ones that want to stay in think that subs are staying then I think your mad. I don't think things will be rosy leaving
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
good arguement:),,, but were farmers keen to sign upto farm assurance?....i know i wasn't:rolleyes:

i take issue with the assumption that subsidies will go....i'm not sure they will....but the 'remain' camp forecasts a devaluation of around 18%...this would take the euro to 90p...the combination of exports being more competitive and imports dearer will raise prices,i think, more than enough to offset subsidies

i had a small machinery dealer last week tell me some of his customers were complaing about a certain landowner getting over a million in subs and just using it to hoover up land....now to me thats just life...but obviously some are resenting the large payouts

if we do brexit it'll be at least two years before we leave....even then i have a sucspicion that 1/ the EU will try telling us we can't ...and /or 2/ a 'new deal' for britain will be offered and we'll vote again

IMO the EU can't afford not to trade with us as we are net importers...so them banning our exports isn't going to happen

finally brexit isn't just about 'cash in our hands' ...it should go deeper reflecting the hard won freedoms of past generations and preserving our nation the way we want it...i don't want to be told by unelected career bureaucrats in brussels how to live my life ;)

for those reasons i'm voting 'OUT'
How many of your fellow Leave Brexiters would care for a 2nd Referendum to vote to stay in after "concessions" though? Not many I would suggest

I'm for Remain and reform but would vote leave if I really believed to second vote would be possible
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
And for what?
To wave your Willy and think you were feeding the world whilst you chucked your nieghbour on the scrap heap.
Hardly the original aim of the common ag policy.
As usuall. The fekkin Tories had to take a social ideal and barstewardise it to create a fortune for a few.

Nail on head there. Tories + EU CAP = the most socially unjust rottenest agricultural policy this country has ever seen.

Yes, it's made the few into billionaires and provided a tax haven for the mega rich but for the ordinary working farmer, particularly new starters and those trying to get into the industry it's been an absolute disaster.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Doesn't Turkey have one of the biggest armed services in the world?
Goosestepping Herr Junker can't wait to get his hands on them to complete a pincer movement on he Ruskies.
That's what the EU want.... and especially the Krauts....... all that land and riches beyond Moscow..... then onwards to Bejing....
You ever been to Turkey?
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
How many of your fellow Leave Brexiters would care for a 2nd Referendum to vote to stay in after "concessions" though? Not many I would suggest

I'm for Remain and reform but would vote leave if I really believed to second vote would be possible
If we went back to the eec or common market I would vote in, all or most of the leaders of the eu say it needs reform but what are they doing ? Not seen one proposal from any of them as what will make it better, they have to get agreement from everyone in the room and that never gets any real change, too many individual agendas, if the eu leaders stood up and signed a legal agreement to say that there will be no expansion, no political union no more rules,no european army and an elected commission I and I am sure a large majority would vote to stay, its in their hands, if we go and even you have to admit the remain party are getting desperate several other countries will face huge pressure to have votes.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
If we went back to the eec or common market I would vote in, all or most of the leaders of the eu say it needs reform but what are they doing ? Not seen one proposal from any of them as what will make it better, they have to get agreement from everyone in the room and that never gets any real change, too many individual agendas, if the eu leaders stood up and signed a legal agreement to say that there will be no expansion, no political union no more rules,no european army and an elected commission I and I am sure a large majority would vote to stay, its in their hands, if we go and even you have to admit the remain party are getting desperate several other countries will face huge pressure to have votes.
This is why I'm not sure there's a Boris/Cameron pact.
 

spin cycle

Member
Location
north norfolk
How many of your fellow Leave Brexiters would care for a 2nd Referendum to vote to stay in after "concessions" though? Not many I would suggest

I'm for Remain and reform but would vote leave if I really believed to second vote would be possible

i'd vote 'remain' if i thought there was chance of reform...sadly i just don't think ....unless it got a 'kick up the proverbial'?;)

looking at the history of the 'maastricht treaty' i think a 2nd referendum very likely IMO......merkel could of course go all 'tough' on us like she did with greece....but GB is a lot different a proposition;)

they might be desperate to get us back on board quickly to stave off the threat of more brexit style polls in other countries
 

banjo

Member
Location
Back of beyond
Farmers demanded the MMB be broken up saying that competition would bring efficientcies and better milk prices how wrong they were.:banghead:
Next farmers were eager to sign up to crop assurance when it was first started, they thought it would lead to better prices:banghead: and if not then they could drop out. Except the trade soon made all crops assured:facepalm:.

Now i see that 2/3 of farmers want out out of EU Talk about biting the hand that feeds you:facepalm:.
The last 40 years have been the most profitable farmers have had ,with it be by intervention guarantying prices or Direct payments and subsidy.

I hear that farmers who want out of the EU are saying subsidies keep inefficient farmers going and if those inefficient farmers could be forced out of business then it would free up land for them to then take on to farm Dooh.:mad:
I class myself as a large efficient business but there is no way i want to get larger at those less fortunate than myself. expense.
The British government is not going pay equal amounts to farmers that the EU does, whether it is conservative or labour.
We should all thank the french with their burning a tyre in the street attitude to getting farm support.
Iam voting in and all farmers should think very carefully before casting us all adrift without a life boat.
Rant over and breathe.(y)
If your so eficient why do you need sub?
 

banjo

Member
Location
Back of beyond
I agree, but it should be cut at a certain level then the good profitable farmers will thrive and the ones who don't won't.
if they did that with the dole money, it would Be the same as every extra house you owned you'd get more money to buy more houses, to get more money, it's a joke!
The poor sod with no house gets nothing at all!
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Farmers demanded the MMB be broken up saying that competition would bring efficientcies and better milk prices how wrong they were.:banghead:
Next farmers were eager to sign up to crop assurance when it was first started, they thought it would lead to better prices:banghead: and if not then they could drop out. Except the trade soon made all crops assured:facepalm:.

Now i see that 2/3 of farmers want out out of EU Talk about biting the hand that feeds you:facepalm:.
The last 40 years have been the most profitable farmers have had ,with it be by intervention guarantying prices or Direct payments and subsidy.

I hear that farmers who want out of the EU are saying subsidies keep inefficient farmers going and if those inefficient farmers could be forced out of business then it would free up land for them to then take on to farm Dooh.:mad:
I class myself as a large efficient business but there is no way i want to get larger at those less fortunate than myself. expense.
The British government is not going pay equal amounts to farmers that the EU does, whether it is conservative or labour.
We should all thank the french with their burning a tyre in the street attitude to getting farm support.
Iam voting in and all farmers should think very carefully before casting us all adrift without a life boat.
Rant over and breathe.(y)
The break up of the MMB was nothing to do with farmers, it was a legal challenge by the Common Market, and Mrs Thatcher that saw the end of it, please get you facts correct
 

turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
I agree, but it should be cut at a certain level then the good profitable farmers will thrive and the ones who don't won't.
if they did that with the dole money, it would Be the same as every extra house you owned you'd get more money to buy more houses, to get more money, it's a joke!
The poor sod with no house gets nothing at all!
Like the french do now
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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