None so blind as those that won't see.

Nearly

Member
Location
North of York
Surely rewilding and tree planting aren't the same thing?
Just a different type of monoculture?

I sold a 5 acre field 2 years ago, that was reclaimed from gorse in 1954, for a guy to plant amenity woodland. Full circle in 70 years.
He's planted about 1/4 of the density for commercial woodland, encouraged people to divert off his footpath that runs through it.

In 10 years it will be diverse habitat, much better than the gorse of old.
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House visible top right in first one is top left in 2nd.
 
Surely rewilding and tree planting aren't the same thing?
Just a different type of monoculture?

I sold a 5 acre field 2 years ago, that was reclaimed from gorse in 1954, for a guy to plant amenity woodland. Full circle in 70 years.
He's planted about 1/4 of the density for commercial woodland, encouraged people to divert off his footpath that runs through it.

In 10 years it will be diverse habitat, much better than the gorse of old. View attachment 1007554
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House visible top right in first one is top left in 2nd.

I fudging hate plastic tree guards, plastic wire or twine!!! Those things are a blight on the face of the bloody Earth.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
translation
Remember Tryweryn is the translation.


In the 60's a welsh valley was stolen by parliament and Liverpool, to provide water to Liverpool, the farmers who lived there were given short shift, national infrastructure project.

Remember Tryweryn is a sign painted on a rock on the road from Aberystwyth towards Aberaeron in Ceredigion.
 

spin cycle

Member
Location
north norfolk
Remember Tryweryn is the translation.


In the 60's a welsh valley was stolen by parliament and Liverpool, to provide water to Liverpool, the farmers who lived there were given short shift, national infrastructure project.

Remember Tryweryn is a sign painted on a rock on the road from Aberystwyth towards Aberaeron in Ceredigion.

yes i remember reading about that now:(
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
yes i remember reading about that now:(
my daughter wanted to train as a vet, at one stage, so when we had a vet here, I would ask where they trained and how the course was.

We were washing our wellies and I asked a vet.

She said Liverpool.

My son looked at her (guessing he was in his very early teens) and asked her if she was Welsh? When she said yes, he then asked her how she could go to Liverpool Uni after what they had done to us.

She looked a little perplexed and didn't know what he was going on about.

He then said "Liverpool stole our water and flooded our valley's".
 

zero

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorkshire coast
I won't accept climate change at all so long as carbon credits are being proposed or discussed. Carbon credits or carbon taxes are utter BS. Money swapping hands does not change emissions and that is a fact.

Trading carbon credits is a bit like me chugging about in my old Land Rover every day but making it ok by buying my neighbour a couple of pints when he gives me a lift to the pub in his electric car!
 

toquark

Member
my daughter wanted to train as a vet, at one stage, so when we had a vet here, I would ask where they trained and how the course was.

We were washing our wellies and I asked a vet.

She said Liverpool.

My son looked at her (guessing he was in his very early teens) and asked her if she was Welsh? When she said yes, he then asked her how she could go to Liverpool Uni after what they had done to us.

She looked a little perplexed and didn't know what he was going on about.

He then said "Liverpool stole our water and flooded our valley's".
Did she revert about the dockers and Hillsborough too?


Sometimes you have to let things go.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Remember Tryweryn is the translation.


In the 60's a welsh valley was stolen by parliament and Liverpool, to provide water to Liverpool, the farmers who lived there were given short shift, national infrastructure project.

Remember Tryweryn is a sign painted on a rock on the road from Aberystwyth towards Aberaeron in Ceredigion.
I remember my Gran telling me about the farmers farming Castlemartin (Cawdor Estate) being given 6 weeks before they were thrown off their farms the start of the second world war too. I went to college with a lad who's grandparents used to farm there before they were thrown off.
 
Remember Tryweryn is the translation.


In the 60's a welsh valley was stolen by parliament and Liverpool, to provide water to Liverpool, the farmers who lived there were given short shift, national infrastructure project.

Remember Tryweryn is a sign painted on a rock on the road from Aberystwyth towards Aberaeron in Ceredigion.
An old vet from Bala used to say the place was full of liver fluke anyway although I suspect it was tongue in cheek.
 

Hfd Cattle

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
OK. I detest cliches for a start. Someone will be along with " Each to their own " shortly.......

Yes., it's ridiculous. Plant half a dozen trees, and it's then OK to spaff 36,000 gallons of fuel on a 12 hour flight.

On the other hand........folks should do what they want with their own land. More land taken out of food production must be a bonus. Having just sold some land in Wales, I can confirm tree planting multi - nationals were non existent .:rolleyes:
..... I hope you sold the land in 1970's prices ........just to keep things in tune !😊😊😊😊
 

AT Aloss

Member
NFFN Member
Bottom line is every ton of food that isn't grow here has to be carted here from abroad so the whole idea is a sham from the get go but it looks good and gives consumers a warm fuzzy feeling inside that they are saving the world.

Given the ideas these people have for saving the world are so far off from where they need to be. And given they won't even recognise that it's the number of people on the plant thats the problem even though its staring them in the face, there is no point paying attention to the drivel they spout.
Who would have believed that something as simple as a tree could become a virtue totem
 

AT Aloss

Member
NFFN Member
There's 30 artic loads of timber passing my house everyday. Half of it gets chipped and I believe a lot get burnt to produce electricity for the grid. They are cutting them down as fast as they can. You couldn't make this up
The burning of wood (or gas) to generate electricity, to power air & ground source heat pumps, versus using the calorific benefit of either to heat homes is a form of circular insanity only politicians could conjure up!
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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