- Location
- Easter ross
Need to make sure the snow gates at drummochter are well and truly bolted shut next week
didn't buy myself..... not this week anyway
North country cheviot
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Need to make sure the snow gates at drummochter are well and truly bolted shut next week
didn't buy myself..... not this week anywayI'll be down with the bolt cuttersNeed to make sure the snow gates at drummochter are well and truly bolted shut next week
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
No, sadly. I had wanted to go. I had things to get on with at home though - jobs seem to be stacking up with all this rain
- Location
- Easter ross
Willie adie
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Over 11,000 ewes and gimmers booked for Lairg week next Tues.
Ewes
- Location
- Scot Borders
That could be a tough days trading. Just seems like the a..se has fallen out the job at the moment. Combination of crap weather, no keep, and the lambs falling away
Willie adie
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Yes going to be a long bloody day, sheep cheaper at huntly today too.
I heard there was two big flock dispersal in Lairg, Heathmount is one have you heard who the other one is. @Willie adie
Willie adie
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Mc call. Inverbrora
reverand
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- Location
- East lancs hills
Did you see that horned tup make £8000. Smart animal.
Woolless
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- Location
- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
Ha, how often have I said that! But little of either!!
M-J-G
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I rarely agree with a judge, and I don't pay any attention to rosettes.Not having a go at you Nithy, but I've never understood with this attitude that we should all agree with the judge. I've seen some judges make bizarre decisions and I've seen the ringside buyers spend big money on some inexplicable stock. We all think differently and it's just as well we do. I wouldn't think any the less of his decision without seeing the evidence for myself.
Myself, I almost never agree with the kind of animals that go on to sell at a huge trade - they're usually not my kind of thing, but other people value them highly , therefore, if I were ever to judge anything, realistically, I'd expect my decision to be "controversial. "
Ie, it wouldn't chime in with those who splash a lot of cash.
It still wouldn't change my mind and I'd still think I was right.
I think pre-sale shows are just a distraction.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Not having a go at you Nithy, but I've never understood with this attitude that we should all agree with the judge. I've seen some judges make bizarre decisions and I've seen the ringside buyers spend big money on some inexplicable stock. We all think differently and it's just as well we do. I wouldn't think any the less of his decision without seeing the evidence for myself.
Myself, I almost never agree with the kind of animals that go on to sell at a huge trade - they're usually not my kind of thing, but other people value them highly , therefore, if I were ever to judge anything, realistically, I'd expect my decision to be "controversial. "
Ie, it wouldn't chime in with those who splash a lot of cash.
It still wouldn't change my mind and I'd still think I was right.
Sorry, that wasn't really what I meant. I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go
Ofcourse the judge is just a person, and it quite often comes down to personal choice/preference - and that is perfectly fine. It's also fine for the chosen champion animal/pen not to make the top price. That happens quite often...
But I was/am quite surprised at the vast difference in price between the champion and the top price, that's all. Obviously more people disagreed with his choice, then agreed with it.
CharcoalWally
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- Location
- West of Scotland
It doesn't matter. It's all hugely subjective. Some years ago I saw 20000 guineas get spent on a bull that most people that I talked to described as anything between pretty average to dreadful. The cash sum involved is meaningless.Sorry, that wasn't really what I meant. I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go
Ofcourse the judge is just a person, and it quite often comes down to personal choice/preference - and that is perfectly fine. It's also fine for the chosen champion animal/pen not to make the top price. That happens quite often...
But I was/am quite surprised at the vast difference in price between the champion and the top price, that's all. Obviously more people disagreed with his choice, then agreed with it.
I always remember a great quote from a racehorse trainer from many years back about the misty Autumn morning he took a walk round Newmarket Sales Paddocks and he took a liking he couldn't explain to a small , slightly weedy colt that had more winners in his background pedigree than power and scope in his underdeveloped frame.
"who could have foretold that long gone morning that this , above all other more impressive looking colts on that day , would be the Prince that would sire a Dynasty?"
That for me says it all.
That is breeding animals in a nutshell.
west coast angus
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Sorry, that wasn't really what I meant. I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go
Ofcourse the judge is just a person, and it quite often comes down to personal choice/preference - and that is perfectly fine. It's also fine for the chosen champion animal/pen not to make the top price. That happens quite often...
But I was/am quite surprised at the vast difference in price between the champion and the top price, that's all. Obviously more people disagreed with his choice, then agreed with it.
The judge can only judge what he likes, and if his choice is different from others, that's though sxit! He would not be doing his job if he was trying to judge what others might like!
I take my hat off to anybody who steps up and judges big classes of sheep in front of a ring side packed with experts!!
CharcoalWally
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- Location
- West of Scotland
Absolutely nailed it in one @west coast angus !!!
I had a very disappointing conversation some years ago with the wife of a then famous sheep farmer who was asked at the time to judge a lot of shows. She remarked to me how annoyed she got at her husband watching him judge , for she knew he wasn't judging to his true beliefs , but was putting up sheep from well known breeders that would be popular choices with other "faces" on the circuit.
I felt bitterly let down to hear this , for I had always looked up to this guy. I considered him professional , hard working and a damn good stockman.
Here's the thing. He was a commercial farmer who through his own skill , brainpower , and hard work , had earned himself the right to be considered a man worth consulting on the merits of his breed. He had risen to the top of the trade in his breed through nothing more than supplying the market with a consistently higher quality than anyone else in his field , and by finding a place in the market that he could do better than anyone else.
So , he'd earned the right to express his opinion and give of his own thoughts.
So why didn't he? Why didn't he give opinions that were true to his core beliefs? After all those years of hard work and putting something together that other people couldn't , why didn't he just say it as he saw it and bugger what everyone thought?
No , a judge needs to be truthful , especially to himself. He has to judge them as he see's them , for what else can he do?
How much money others spend on sheep that he considers to be not as good should not come into it , and it really doesn't matter a damn.
reverand
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- Location
- East lancs hills
I got some shearlings off cocklawfoot Very smart but they cost me.